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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>
@ 2005-04-26 23:21 bduerner at gmx dot de
  2005-04-26 23:25 ` [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org
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From: bduerner at gmx dot de @ 2005-04-26 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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__cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialisation impossible
X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC

It is not possible to specialise std::numpunct<CharT> defined    
in /bits/locale_facets.h. in a portable way due to "typedef 
__numpunct_cache<_CharT>     
__cache_type;" within the std::numpunct<CharT> template.   
This bug seems to be present at least in 3.4.4 and 4.0 but not 3.3.4.

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           Summary: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>
                    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes
                    specialisation impossible
           Product: gcc
           Version: 4.0.0
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: libstdc++
        AssignedTo: unassigned at gcc dot gnu dot org
        ReportedBy: bduerner at gmx dot de
                CC: bduerner at gmx dot de,gcc-bugs at gcc dot gnu dot org
 GCC build triplet: 3.4.4 or 4.0.0
  GCC host triplet: 3.4.4 or 4.0.0
GCC target triplet: 3.4.4 or 4.0.0


http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21238


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
@ 2005-04-26 23:25 ` pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org
  2005-04-27  8:24 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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From: pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org @ 2005-04-26 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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------- Additional Comments From pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org  2005-04-26 23:25 -------
Do you have a testcase for this?

(Also changed the British spelling to the Americian spelling in the summary).

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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  GCC build triplet|3.4.4 or 4.0.0              |
   GCC host triplet|3.4.4 or 4.0.0              |
 GCC target triplet|3.4.4 or 4.0.0              |
            Summary|conflicting "typedef        |conflicting "typedef
                   |__numpunct_cache<_CharT>    |__numpunct_cache<_CharT>
                   |__cache_type;" in           |__cache_type;" in
                   |std::numpunct<CharT> makes  |std::numpunct<CharT> makes
                   |specialisation impossible   |specialization impossible


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
  2005-04-26 23:25 ` [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org
@ 2005-04-27  8:24 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
  2005-04-27 11:34 ` bduerner at gmx dot de
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http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21238


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
  2005-04-26 23:25 ` [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org
  2005-04-27  8:24 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
@ 2005-04-27 11:34 ` bduerner at gmx dot de
  2005-04-27 12:13 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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From: bduerner at gmx dot de @ 2005-04-27 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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------- Additional Comments From bduerner at gmx dot de  2005-04-27 11:33 -------
This testcase gives the following error: 
numpunct_test.cpp:106:   instantiated from here 
/usr/lib/gcc/i586-ark-linux/3.4.4/../../../../include/c++/3.4.4/bits/locale_facets.tcc:435: 
error: no type named `__cache_type' in `class std::numpunct<MyChar>' 
 
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
#include <streambuf> 
#include <exception> 
#include <string> 
#include <iostream> 
#include <locale> 
using namespace std; 
 
 
struct MyChar {}; 
 
 
namespace std { 
 
  template<> 
  struct char_traits<MyChar> { 
    typedef MyChar char_type; 
    typedef int int_type; 
    typedef streamoff off_type; 
    typedef off_t pos_type; 
    typedef mbstate_t state_type; 
 
    static void assign(char_type& c1, const char_type& c2) {} 
    static bool eq(const char_type& c1, const char_type& c2) {} 
    static bool lt(const char_type& c1, const char_type& c2) {} 
    static int compare(const char_type* c1, const char_type* c2, size_t n) {} 
    static size_t length(const char_type* s) {} 
    static const char_type* find(const char_type* s, size_t n, const char_type& 
a) {} 
    static char_type* move(char_type* s1, const char_type* s2, int_type n) {} 
    static char_type* copy(char_type* s1, const char_type* s2, size_t n) {} 
    static char_type* assign(char_type* s, size_t n, char_type a) {} 
    static char_type to_char_type(const int_type& c) {} 
    static int_type to_int_type(const char_type& c) {} 
    static bool eq_int_type(const int_type& c1, const int_type& c2) {} 
    static int_type eof() {} 
    static int_type not_eof(const int_type& c) {} 
  }; 
 
 
  template <> 
  class numpunct<MyChar> : public locale::facet { 
    public: 
      typedef MyChar char_type; 
      typedef basic_string<MyChar> string_type; 
 
      // BUG: I would need to include this internally used typedef 
      // to make it compile successfully. 
      // typedef __numpunct_cache<MyChar>  __cache_type; 
 
    public: 
      static locale::id id; 
 
    public: 
      explicit numpunct<MyChar>(size_t refs = 0) : locale::facet(refs) 
        { } 
 
      char_type decimal_point() const 
        { return this->do_decimal_point(); } 
 
      char_type thousands_sep() const 
        { return this->do_thousands_sep(); } 
 
      string grouping() const 
        { return this->do_grouping(); } 
 
      string_type truename() const 
        { return this->do_truename(); } 
 
      string_type falsename() const 
        { return this->do_falsename(); } 
 
    protected: 
      ~numpunct<MyChar>() 
        { } 
 
      virtual char_type do_decimal_point() const 
        { return MyChar(); } 
 
      virtual char_type do_thousands_sep() const 
        { return MyChar(); } 
 
      virtual string do_grouping() const 
        { return ""; } 
 
      virtual string_type do_truename() const 
        { /* whatever */ } 
 
      virtual string_type do_falsename() const 
        { /* whatever*/ } 
  }; 
 
  std::locale::id std::numpunct<MyChar>::id; 
 
} 
 
 
class MyStream : public std::basic_iostream<MyChar> { 
  public: 
    MyStream() : std::basic_iostream<MyChar>() 
    {} 
}; 
 
 
int main() { 
	MyStream mystream; 
 
	std::locale loc( mystream.getloc(), new std::numpunct<MyChar>() ); 
	mystream.imbue(loc); 
 
	int n; 
	mystream >> n; 
 
  return 0; 
} 
------------------------------------------------------------ 

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                 CC|                            |bero at arklinux dot org


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2005-04-27 11:34 ` bduerner at gmx dot de
@ 2005-04-27 12:13 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
  2005-04-29  9:39 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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From: pcarlini at suse dot de @ 2005-04-27 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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------- Additional Comments From pcarlini at suse dot de  2005-04-27 12:12 -------
Thanks for the testcase. The issue is subtle and the typedef is only the tip of
the iceberg: num_get (involved in >>(int)) uses the caching facilities provided
by the primary numpunct, which a specialization simply misses, generally. As our
library is currently designed, you cannot specialize numpunct and then use the
primary num_get template with it. Maybe we have a slighlty different instance
of the problem with istream members that we fixed for 4.0: we should have generic
implementations of num_get (and num_put) not exploitng any numpunct-provided
caching and efficient specializations for char and wchar_t. Seems doable, at
the expense of a non-trivial code-growth, but maybe within the present ABI.

Benjamin?

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                 CC|                            |bkoz at redhat dot com


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
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  2005-04-27 12:13 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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------- Additional Comments From pcarlini at suse dot de  2005-04-29 09:39 -------
Hum, maybe the fix is much simpler than I thought :)

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         AssignedTo|unassigned at gcc dot gnu   |pcarlini at suse dot de
                   |dot org                     |
             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |ASSIGNED
     Ever Confirmed|                            |1
   Last reconfirmed|0000-00-00 00:00:00         |2005-04-29 09:39:07
               date|                            |


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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
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  2005-04-29  9:39 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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------- Additional Comments From pcarlini at suse dot de  2005-04-29 10:24 -------
Indeed it is, sorry for the false alarm: our design is correct as-is, only the
typedef should be changed, I'm finishing testing the fix.

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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
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  2005-04-29 10:25 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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  2005-05-09 20:01 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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------- Additional Comments From cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu dot org  2005-04-29 18:50 -------
Subject: Bug 21238

CVSROOT:	/cvs/gcc
Module name:	gcc
Changes by:	paolo@gcc.gnu.org	2005-04-29 18:50:01

Modified files:
	libstdc++-v3   : ChangeLog 
	libstdc++-v3/include/bits: locale_facets.tcc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite: testsuite_character.cc 
	                        testsuite_character.h 
Added files:
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_get: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_put: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_get: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_put: 3.cc 

Log message:
	2005-04-29  Paolo Carlini  <pcarlini@suse.de>
	
	PR libstdc++/21238
	* include/bits/locale_facets.tcc (num_get::_M_extract_float,
	num_get::_M_extract_int, num_get::do_get(bool&),
	num_put::_M_insert_int, num_put::_M_insert_float,
	num_put::do_put(bool), money_get::_M_extract,
	money_put::_M_insert): Adjust the __cache_type typedef not to
	forward to a numpunct/moneypunct typedef.
	* testsuite/testsuite_character.h: Add pod_uint and its numpunct
	and moneypunct specializations.
	* testsuite/testsuite_character.cc: Add numpunct<pod_uint>::id
	and moneypunct<pod_uint>::id.
	* testsuite/22_locale/num_get/3.cc: New.
	* testsuite/22_locale/num_put/3.cc: Likewise.
	* testsuite/22_locale/money_get/3.cc: Likewise.
	* testsuite/22_locale/money_put/3.cc: Likewise.
	
	* include/bits/locale_facets.tcc (money_put::_M_insert,
	time_get::_M_extract_name): Prefer operator== to operator!=
	on char_types.

Patches:
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=1.2985&r2=1.2986
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/locale_facets.tcc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=1.214&r2=1.215
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/testsuite_character.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=1.2&r2=1.3
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/testsuite_character.h.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=1.4&r2=1.5
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_get/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=NONE&r2=1.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_put/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=NONE&r2=1.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_get/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=NONE&r2=1.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_put/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&r1=NONE&r2=1.1



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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
  2005-04-26 23:21 [Bug libstdc++/21238] New: conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT> bduerner at gmx dot de
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  2005-04-29 18:51 ` cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu dot org
@ 2005-05-09 19:59 ` cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu dot org
  2005-05-09 20:01 ` pcarlini at suse dot de
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------- Additional Comments From cvs-commit at gcc dot gnu dot org  2005-05-09 19:59 -------
Subject: Bug 21238

CVSROOT:	/cvs/gcc
Module name:	gcc
Branch: 	gcc-4_0-branch
Changes by:	paolo@gcc.gnu.org	2005-05-09 19:59:17

Modified files:
	libstdc++-v3   : ChangeLog 
	libstdc++-v3/include/bits: locale_facets.tcc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite: testsuite_character.h 
	                        testsuite_character.cc 
Added files:
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_get: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_put: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_get: 3.cc 
	libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_put: 3.cc 

Log message:
	2005-05-09  Paolo Carlini  <pcarlini@suse.de>
	
	PR libstdc++/21238
	* include/bits/locale_facets.tcc (num_get::_M_extract_float,
	num_get::_M_extract_int, num_get::do_get(bool&),
	num_put::_M_insert_int, num_put::_M_insert_float,
	num_put::do_put(bool), money_get::_M_extract,
	money_put::_M_insert): Adjust the __cache_type typedef not to
	forward to a numpunct/moneypunct typedef.
	* testsuite/testsuite_character.h: Add pod_uint and its numpunct
	and moneypunct specializations.
	* testsuite/testsuite_character.cc: Add numpunct<pod_uint>::id
	and moneypunct<pod_uint>::id.
	* testsuite/22_locale/num_get/3.cc: New.
	* testsuite/22_locale/num_put/3.cc: Likewise.
	* testsuite/22_locale/money_get/3.cc: Likewise.
	* testsuite/22_locale/money_put/3.cc: Likewise.
	
	* include/bits/locale_facets.tcc (money_put::_M_insert,
	time_get::_M_extract_name): Prefer operator== to operator!=
	on char_types.

Patches:
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=1.2917.2.43&r2=1.2917.2.44
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/locale_facets.tcc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=1.211.12.3&r2=1.211.12.4
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/testsuite_character.h.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=1.2.54.2&r2=1.2.54.3
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/testsuite_character.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=1.3.4.2&r2=1.3.4.3
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_get/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.4.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/num_put/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.4.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_get/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.4.1
http://gcc.gnu.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gcc/libstdc++-v3/testsuite/22_locale/money_put/3.cc.diff?cvsroot=gcc&only_with_tag=gcc-4_0-branch&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.4.1



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* [Bug libstdc++/21238] conflicting "typedef __numpunct_cache<_CharT>    __cache_type;" in std::numpunct<CharT> makes specialization impossible
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------- Additional Comments From pcarlini at suse dot de  2005-05-09 20:01 -------
Fixed for 4.0.1.

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             Status|ASSIGNED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED
   Target Milestone|---                         |4.0.1


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