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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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@ 2011-09-23 21:51 ` paolo.carlini at oracle dot com
2011-09-26 13:56 ` ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE
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Paolo Carlini <paolo.carlini at oracle dot com> changed:
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--- Comment #5 from Paolo Carlini <paolo.carlini at oracle dot com> 2011-09-23 21:45:10 UTC ---
Rainer, can you see if this can be reproduced with any maintained branch?
Thanks.
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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2011-09-23 21:51 ` [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault paolo.carlini at oracle dot com
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From: ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE @ 2011-09-26 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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--- Comment #6 from ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE <ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE> 2011-09-26 13:22:58 UTC ---
Not easily, because I don't have an installed version with GNU ld
around, and haven't figured out all the options necessary to compile and
link with an uninstalled g++.
That said, the example works just fine with g++ 4.4.2, 4.5.2, and 4.6.0
configured with Sun as and ld.
A couple of comments on the configure options used:
Configured with: ../gcc-4.4.3/configure --prefix=/usr/local/gcc-4.4.3
--disable-shared --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-threads=posix
Why --disable-shared? This may cause problems and isn't tested.
--enable-__cxa_atexit --with-gnu-as --with-as=/usr/local/binutils-2.20.1/bin/as
--enable-__cxa_atexit cannot work on Solaris. I'm working on a patch
for the necessary libc support, but that will make it into Solaris 12 or
a Solaris 11 update at the earliest. The option should be harmless, but
is certainly useless.
--with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/local/binutils-2.20.1/bin/ld
The installation guide strongly recomments using Sun ld on Solaris for a
reason. Many patches necessary to improve the situation with GNU ld on
Solaris only went into binutils 2.21, so I'd strongly suggest to retry
with gld 2.21.1 if you really insist on using GNU ld.
Rainer
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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2011-09-23 21:51 ` [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault paolo.carlini at oracle dot com
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Paolo Carlini <paolo.carlini at oracle dot com> changed:
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Resolution| |WORKSFORME
--- Comment #7 from Paolo Carlini <paolo.carlini at oracle dot com> 2011-09-26 13:55:08 UTC ---
Thanks Rainer. I think you provided plenty of information about possible issues
at submitter's end. Let's close this as worksforme.
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--- Comment #8 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
I get the same problem using gcc 4.5, 4.7, and 4.8 on a Sun Fire V240 running
Gentoo. Even if the compiler says "Gentoo" it is built with use flag "vanilla",
i.e. without any Gentoo patches.
The test code is simply:
#include <iostream>
int main(void) {
std::cerr << "test";
return 0;
}
Which will output "test" and then segfault. I can reproduce this at will and
can give you further information (traces, asm, poking with gdb, whatever), just
ask. I have tried it with both binutils 2.23.1 and .2, the result is the same:
buildbot@alrakis ~ $ g++ -v -save-temps -g test.cpp -mcpu=native
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=/usr/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.2/g++
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/lto-wrapper
Target: sparc-unknown-linux-gnu
Configured with: /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.8.2/work/gcc-4.8.2/configure
--prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.2
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include/g++-v4
--host=sparc-unknown-linux-gnu --build=sparc-unknown-linux-gnu
--disable-altivec --disable-fixed-point --without-cloog --disable-lto
--disable-nls --with-system-zlib --enable-obsolete --disable-werror
--enable-secureplt --disable-multilib --enable-libmudflap --disable-libssp
--enable-libgomp
--with-python-dir=/share/gcc-data/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/python
--enable-checking=release --disable-libgcj --enable-libstdcxx-time
--disable-libquadmath --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-targets=all --with-bugurl=http://bugs.gentoo.org/
--with-pkgversion='Gentoo 4.8.2'
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.2 (Gentoo 4.8.2)
COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS='-v' '-save-temps' '-g' '-o' 'cmtest48' '-shared-libgcc'
'-mcpu=ultrasparc3'
/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/cc1plus -E -quiet -v
-D_GNU_SOURCE -D__sparc_v9__ args.cpp -mcpu=ultrasparc3 -g -fworking-directory
-fpch-preprocess -o args.ii
ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/local/include"
ignoring nonexistent directory
"/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/include"
#include "..." search starts here:
#include <...> search starts here:
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include/g++-v4
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include/g++-v4/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include/g++-v4/backward
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/include-fixed
/usr/include
End of search list.
COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS='-v' '-save-temps' '-g' '-o' 'cmtest48' '-shared-libgcc'
'-mcpu=ultrasparc3'
/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/cc1plus -fpreprocessed args.ii
-quiet -dumpbase args.cpp -mcpu=ultrasparc3 -auxbase args -g -version -o args.s
GNU C++ (Gentoo 4.8.2) version 4.8.2 (sparc-unknown-linux-gnu)
compiled by GNU C version 4.8.2, GMP version 5.0.2, MPFR version 3.1.1,
MPC version 1.0.1
GGC heuristics: --param ggc-min-expand=100 --param ggc-min-heapsize=131072
GNU C++ (Gentoo 4.8.2) version 4.8.2 (sparc-unknown-linux-gnu)
compiled by GNU C version 4.8.2, GMP version 5.0.2, MPFR version 3.1.1,
MPC version 1.0.1
GGC heuristics: --param ggc-min-expand=100 --param ggc-min-heapsize=131072
Compiler executable checksum: 8d0bbd26543db38471cca4be1a182624
COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS='-v' '-save-temps' '-g' '-o' 'cmtest48' '-shared-libgcc'
'-mcpu=ultrasparc3'
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/as
-v -s -Av9b -32 -relax -o args.o args.s
GNU assembler version 2.23.2 (sparc-unknown-linux-gnu) using BFD version (GNU
Binutils) 2.23.2
COMPILER_PATH=/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/:/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/:/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/
LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../lib32/:/lib/../lib32/:/usr/lib/../lib32/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/lib/:/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../:/lib/:/usr/lib/
COLLECT_GCC_OPTIONS='-v' '-save-temps' '-g' '-o' 'cmtest48' '-shared-libgcc'
'-mcpu=ultrasparc3'
/usr/libexec/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/collect2 --eh-frame-hdr -m
elf32_sparc -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -relax -o cmtest48
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../lib32/crt1.o
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../lib32/crti.o
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/crtbegin.o
-L/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2
-L/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../lib32 -L/lib/../lib32
-L/usr/lib/../lib32
-L/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/lib
-L/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../.. args.o -lstdc++ -lm
-lgcc_s -lgcc -lc -lgcc_s -lgcc
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/crtend.o
/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/../../../../lib32/crtn.o
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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--- Comment #9 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
Created attachment 31314
--> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=31314&action=edit
ii file of testcase
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From: ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE @ 2013-11-28 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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--- Comment #10 from ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE <ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE> ---
> --- Comment #8 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
> I get the same problem using gcc 4.5, 4.7, and 4.8 on a Sun Fire V240 running
> Gentoo. Even if the compiler says "Gentoo" it is built with use flag "vanilla",
> i.e. without any Gentoo patches.
>
> The test code is simply:
>
> #include <iostream>
>
> int main(void) {
> std::cerr << "test";
> return 0;
> }
>
> Which will output "test" and then segfault. I can reproduce this at will and
> can give you further information (traces, asm, poking with gdb, whatever), just
> ask. I have tried it with both binutils 2.23.1 and .2, the result is the same:
Works just fine for me with mainline g++ on sparc-sun-solaris2.11
configured with gas/gld 2.23.2.
I don't have the least idea what's going on here, and cannot debug
issues on Linux/SPARC since I don't have access to that platform.
Rainer
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--- Comment #11 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
> I don't have the least idea what's going on here, and cannot debug
> issues on Linux/SPARC since I don't have access to that platform.
Sadly I can't give you direct access to my machine, but I'm willing to
assist on any debugging needed. Meanwhile a second user was able to
reproduce the issue on an independent system. We are hanging around in
#gentoo-sparc on Freenode in case you want to join us.
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--- Comment #12 from ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE <ro at CeBiTec dot Uni-Bielefeld.DE> ---
> --- Comment #11 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
>> I don't have the least idea what's going on here, and cannot debug
>> issues on Linux/SPARC since I don't have access to that platform.
>
> Sadly I can't give you direct access to my machine, but I'm willing to
> assist on any debugging needed. Meanwhile a second user was able to
> reproduce the issue on an independent system. We are hanging around in
> #gentoo-sparc on Freenode in case you want to join us.
I don't have time to assist in an extensive remote debugging session,
sorry.
Rainer
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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--- Comment #13 from Rolf Eike Beer <eike@sf-mail.de> ---
Ok, it looks like this is no gcc problem. If I rebuild gcc with binutils 2.22
it works. If I compile gcc with binutils 2.23.[12] it fails. Having a gcc built
with binutils 2.23.2 and building the program with binutils 2.22 it also fails.
So the solution (for the moment) is to build gcc with binutils 2.22 and
everything is fine.
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
2010-04-12 17:37 [Bug c++/43734] New: " paul dot shaklan at solipsys dot com
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------- Comment #4 from paul dot shaklan at solipsys dot com 2010-04-26 16:56 -------
Exactly the same results with libfoo.so is built with fPIC
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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2010-04-12 17:38 ` [Bug c++/43734] " paul dot shaklan at solipsys dot com
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------- Comment #3 from pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org 2010-04-12 17:58 -------
What happens if you do:
g++ -v -save-temps -G -o libfoo.so foo.C -fPIC
aka add -fPIC when building the shared library?
--
http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43734
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* [Bug c++/43734] cerr related segmentation fault
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------- Comment #2 from paul dot shaklan at solipsys dot com 2010-04-12 17:39 -------
Created an attachment (id=20369)
--> (http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=20369&action=view)
.ii file associated with main.C
--
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------- Comment #1 from paul dot shaklan at solipsys dot com 2010-04-12 17:38 -------
Created an attachment (id=20368)
--> (http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=20368&action=view)
.ii file associated with foo.C
--
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