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From: "joseph at codesourcery dot com" <gcc-bugzilla@gcc.gnu.org>
To: gcc-bugs@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: [Bug middle-end/59448] Code generation doesn't respect C11 address-dependency
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-59448-4-pbGMFMTM5d@http.gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-59448-4@http.gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/>

http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59448

--- Comment #5 from joseph at codesourcery dot com <joseph at codesourcery dot com> ---
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, algrant at acm dot org wrote:

> demonstrates the same lack of ordering.  You suggest that this might
> be a problem with the atomic built-ins - and yes, if this had been a
> load-acquire, it would be a problem with the built-in not introducing a
> barrier or using a load-acquire instruction.  But for a load-consume on
> this architecture, no barrier is necessary to separate the load-consume
> from a load that is address-dependent on it.  The programmer wrote a
> dependency but the compiler lost track of it.

"address-dependent" is not a C standard concept.  As far as I can tell, at 
least as regards C there are no such ordering constraints between 
non-atomic operations, only between operations at least one of which is 
atomic - thus, it is the responsibility of the atomic built-in functions 
to ensure whatever ordering may be required.  (Whereas the parts of the 
memory model defining what counts as a "memory location" *do* have 
implications in the absence of atomics, restricting the code sequences 
that can be used for struct modifications and preventing speculative 
stores.)

> It's not necessary to demonstrate failure - there's an architectural 
> race condition here.  Even if it doesn't fail now there's no guarantee
> it will never fail on future more aggressively reordering cores.

You still need to provide a testcase (a complete program that can be 
compiled and linked with current GCC) that (a) does not show undefined 
behavior, (b) that, you justify by reference to the standard definitions 
and how they apply to source code constructs, must exhibit specific 
observable behavior (values printed, assertions passed, etc. - *not* just 
ordering of loads at the architectural level), and (c) that, you justify 
by reference to the architecture definition if not to actual observed 
failure, could fail to meet the requirements for observable behavior, 
given the code generated by GCC and the behavior permitted by the 
architecture for that code.

I am unable to tell what code you envisage running in another thread or 
what observable failure you think could result from "lack of ordering", 
because you have not provided a complete testcase.  Thus, I am unable to 
tell if there is a genuine bug here at all.  The standard definitions 
associated with atomicity are extremely complicated; you need to be very 
careful about identifying exactly how particular definitions apply to 
particular source code constructs and so how you deduce the requirements 
on behavior of a particular program, for a bug report to be of any use.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-16 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-10 12:07 [Bug target/59448] New: ARM code " algrant at acm dot org
2013-12-10 14:19 ` [Bug c/59448] Code " rearnsha at gcc dot gnu.org
2013-12-10 16:43 ` algrant at acm dot org
2013-12-10 17:47 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com
2013-12-12 18:07 ` [Bug middle-end/59448] " algrant at acm dot org
2013-12-16 14:38 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com [this message]
2014-01-20  8:52 ` algrant at acm dot org
2014-01-20  9:02 ` pinskia at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-01-20 10:13 ` algrant at acm dot org
2014-01-20 14:21 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com
2014-01-23 22:28 ` torvald at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-02-17 10:26 ` algrant at acm dot org
2014-02-17 21:03 ` torvald at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-02-17 22:22 ` algrant at acm dot org
2014-10-28 10:56 ` ramana at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-10-28 12:48 ` amacleod at redhat dot com
2014-10-28 13:43 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com
2014-10-28 17:37 ` t.p.northover at gmail dot com
2014-10-29  1:48 ` joseph at codesourcery dot com
2014-10-29  9:23 ` torvald at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-10-30 21:08 ` torvald at gcc dot gnu.org
2014-10-30 22:16 ` filter-gcc at preshing dot com
2014-11-24 12:13 ` filter-gcc at preshing dot com
2015-01-14 13:59 ` amacleod at redhat dot com
2022-01-15  1:47 ` pinskia at gcc dot gnu.org
2022-01-15  1:53 ` pinskia at gcc dot gnu.org

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