* "Free as in Freedom" @ 2006-06-25 23:44 Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-25 23:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-25 23:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster Cc: tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia "Free as in Freedom" in http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo You're not even able to remove a couple of messages, so how "free" am I now? pinskia@physics.uc.edu wanted $300 for removal! How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of yourselves! Not only privacy is not respected, gerald@pfeifer.com also threatened that more hits would be generated in the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do that, it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-25 23:44 "Free as in Freedom" Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-25 23:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 2006-06-26 0:02 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-06-25 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Verhaeghe Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1004 bytes --] On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote: > Not only privacy is not respected, gerald@pfeifer.com > also threatened that more hits would be generated in > the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do that, > it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! This is the internet. It's where people work together and share data. If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you want to be in private, just don't post emails to publically archived mailing lists. That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've done that "mistake" and you cannot turn back time. So please shut up now. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-25 23:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-06-26 0:02 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:24 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-06-26 0:31 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan-Benedict Glaw Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling things? To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"! --- Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote: > On Sun, 2006-06-25 16:44:22 -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Not only privacy is not respected, > gerald@pfeifer.com > > also threatened that more hits would be generated > in > > the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do > that, > > it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! > > This is the internet. It's where people work > together and share data. > If you want to do that in private, use a VPN. If you > want to be in > private, just don't post emails to publically > archived mailing lists. > > That's not hard, but it's too late right now. You've > done that > "mistake" and you cannot turn back time. > > So please shut up now. > > MfG, JBG > > -- > Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . > +49-172-7608481 _ O _ > "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen > Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O > für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im > Internet! | im Irak! O O O > ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & > ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:02 ` Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:24 ` Christopher Faylor 2006-06-26 1:02 ` ADMINISTRIVIA about " Christopher Faylor 2006-06-26 0:31 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-06-26 0:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gcc, fortran, gcc-help On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:02:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: >Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." > >Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I suppose of handling >things? > >To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free as in Freedom"! However, you have been told quite clearly what the site policy is. None of the mailing lists at gcc.gnu.org are intended to be rant lists so you really do have to stop sending this type of email since it is off-topic for every list that you are using. If you can't stop yourself, then steps will be taken to block you from sending email here. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* ADMINISTRIVIA about Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:24 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2006-06-26 1:02 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2006-06-26 1:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: fortran, gcc, gcc-help I thought I should point out that this thread has hit the "too many recipients" spam blocking rule at gcc.gnu.org so there are a number of messages from various people (but mostly from Alexander) which are not making it to the mailing list. cgf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:02 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:24 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2006-06-26 0:31 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-06-26 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Verhaeghe Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1509 bytes --] On Sun, 2006-06-25 17:02:41 -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe <alexanderverhaeghe@yahoo.com> wrote: > To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of "Free > as in Freedom"! Ah, so your understanding of "Freedom" reads like: Okay guys, I've sent out some rude emails insulting you a bit about your fortran stuff and all. I've put that into publically archived mailing lists and I just ignored the fact of "publically archived." Well, it seems to fuck up by bio and because of me being lame, please waste your time to search the archives for my name and drop them all, maybe even including replys etc. My reading of Freedom is more like: Heya, your mailing list archive sux because you cannot easily find a people's attitude there. I've taken all the HTML stuff and made it useful. With a single click, you can now find out if a person is only a lame guy not reading sources or documentation, yelling about it's inabilities and not doing any community work. See the difference? "Freedom", as we see it, is the right to participate, not the right to let others work for you. But you'll learn that the other day. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: "Free as in Freedom" [not found] <449F265E.40209@adacore.com> @ 2006-06-26 0:16 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:35 ` Steve Kargl 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Dewar Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia Always threatening, you're even worse than Microsoft... Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to rip me off $300! --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote: > Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > > Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." > > > > Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I > > suppose of handling things? > > > > To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of > "Free > > as in Freedom"! > > If I googled on your name and found this sort of > absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. > People will see these quotes for ever, they are > not going away, they will follow you everywhere, > is this what you want? > > Do you not understand that it is technically > impossible > to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies > of > this all over the net. By posting to this list, you > gave consent to this massing reproduction of what > you > wrote, and it cannot be undone. > > Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on > other > people removing your messages, and the idea that it > violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the > contrary the operation of freedom here is that > anyone > anywhere has the ability and right to copy your > posts, > and thousands of people have already taken advantage > of > this permission that you gave by posting in the > first place. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:16 ` Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:35 ` Steve Kargl 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Robert Dewar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Steve Kargl @ 2006-06-26 0:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Verhaeghe Cc: Robert Dewar, gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > Always threatening, you're even worse than > Microsoft... > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to > rip me off $300! > Alexander the email you requested removed at this link http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# was written by me. You have no right to ask for my post to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will find "On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote:" There is no email address at that link. It is however interesting to read your posts to Lahey and Microsoft forums. I suspect your recent spat of postings here has earned you many killfile entries. -- Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:35 ` Steve Kargl @ 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:54 ` Steve Kargl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Kargl Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia Please tell me where I can read this "spat of postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in a short time! --- Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:16:37PM -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe wrote: > > Always threatening, you're even worse than > > Microsoft... > > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to > use > > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want > to > > rip me off $300! > > > > Alexander the email you requested removed at this > link > > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.fortran/day=20050926# > > was written by me. You have no right to ask for my > post > to be removed. In viewing the above link, you will > find > > "On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 04:21:19PM -0700, Alexander > Verhaeghe wrote:" > > There is no email address at that link. > > It is however interesting to read your posts to > Lahey and > Microsoft forums. > > I suspect your recent spat of postings here has > earned > you many killfile entries. > > -- > Steve > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:54 ` Steve Kargl 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Steve Kargl @ 2006-06-26 0:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Verhaeghe Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 05:43:41PM -0700, Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > Please tell me where I can read this "spat of > postings" so that I can evaluate them. I guess I have > to change emailaddress (not difficult) and name (more > difficult) after this stuff. I never typed so much in > a short time! > Well, to start with you can go to http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2006-06/ Look for post by "Alexander Verhaeghe". These posts will soon be mirrored. Your google hits are going up. -- Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: "Free as in Freedom" 2006-06-26 0:16 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 2006-06-26 0:35 ` Steve Kargl @ 2006-06-26 0:43 ` Robert Dewar 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2006-06-26 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Verhaeghe Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > Always threatening, you're even worse than > Microsoft... > Once again "Free as in Freedom", how dare you to use > this? Please don't forget to mention that you want to > rip me off $300! First of all, again you are quoting my private messages. Second, the $300 has nothing to do with me, though I see no objection to people charging for work you ask them to do on your behalf. Third, can't you get it through your head that no threats are involved here, just some very basic statements of facts. You seem to be unaware of these facts as was clear from your initial post. This is certainly off-topic noise but on the other hand perhaps it is instructive to any others following this list who may be sharing the same misconceptions as Alexander. Anyway, I am killing this thread now, and apologies to anyone annoyed by these messages. In both the last two cases, I made the mistake of sending private advice to Alexander, clearly something that is not helpful in this situation. > > --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote: > >> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: >>> Quote Jan-Benedict Glaw "So please shut up now." >>> >>> Quite friendly I must say, it's the german way I >>> suppose of handling things? >>> >>> To Jan-Benedict Glaw I WON'T SHUT UP because of >> "Free >>> as in Freedom"! >> If I googled on your name and found this sort of >> absurd post, I would form conclusions right away. >> People will see these quotes for ever, they are >> not going away, they will follow you everywhere, >> is this what you want? >> >> Do you not understand that it is technically >> impossible >> to remove those posts, there are thousands of copies >> of >> this all over the net. By posting to this list, you >> gave consent to this massing reproduction of what >> you >> wrote, and it cannot be undone. >> >> Free as in freedom does not allow you to insist on >> other >> people removing your messages, and the idea that it >> violates privacy rules to refuse is absurd. On the >> contrary the operation of freedom here is that >> anyone >> anywhere has the ability and right to copy your >> posts, >> and thousands of people have already taken advantage >> of >> this permission that you gave by posting in the >> first place. >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: "Free as in Freedom" [not found] <449F27C4.6020009@adacore.com> @ 2006-06-26 0:35 ` Alexander Verhaeghe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alexander Verhaeghe @ 2006-06-26 0:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Dewar Cc: gnu, gcc-help, gcc, webmasters, chief-webmaster, tobias.schlueter, fortran, pinskia "It is of course not a threat to point out that anything you post here will be permanently associated with your name for ever, and that there is no way to undo this. This is just a statement of fact." There is always a way of undoing things, it's simply a matter if you want to do so or not, and in this case clearly not. I don't see any reason why this conversation will be listed by just mailing a couple e-mailaddresses which I contacted before numerous times and no one responded for the simple reason they don't want to. Just delete all e-mailaddresses and state clearly that once posted it can not be undone. I'm almost sure that your practices are against the laws of privacy. Tomorrow I will check this out, as a matter of fact I already did. You have no right to publish things without permission. If all this crap is ever to be published, no one will believe, gnu.org is simply making itself ridiculous by publishing this. I just got another mail from Christopher Faylor, which "threatens" to block me from sending mail, why not, once again so much freedom... There isn't even freedom of speech here. Do I continue until I'm blocked? --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote: > I did not mean my message at all as a threat, but > just as some helpful advice. Note that it was sent > only to you, not to the list. It is normally not a > good idea to post such private messages to a public > list without permission (and may indeed violate > copyright, though that's not clear). For sure it is > a violation of netiquette, so you add that to your > record here. > > I respond to the list here just to make it clear > that I did not post the message to the list. > > It is of course not a threat to point out that > anything you post here will be permanently > associated with your name for ever, and that > there is no way to undo this. This is just a > statement of fact. > > In our modern day and age, people will often google > a name to find out more about someone, and when they > do that, all your old posts will appear. Again, > that's > not a threat, just a statement of a fact that should > be clear to anyone posting on any list. > > Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > > Go ahead threatening people, it's all what you > > accomplished so far! You say "Are you really > sure", I > > don't even have the chance to say yes or no, so > much > > freedom! > > > > That e-mail of $300 I will keep just in case... > > > > --- Robert Dewar <dewar@adacore.com> wrote: > > > >> Are you really sure you want the below message to > be > >> permanently associated with your name, it is now > .. > >> and this association can never be removed. I > think > >> you should think before posting any more messages > >> that will follow you around. > >> > >> Alexander Verhaeghe wrote: > >>> "Free as in Freedom" in > >>> http://www.gnu.org/home.html#ContactInfo > >>> > >>> You're not even able to remove a couple of > >> messages, > >>> so how "free" am I now? > >>> pinskia@physics.uc.edu wanted $300 for removal! > >>> How "free" am I now? You should be ashamed of > >>> yourselves! > >>> > >>> Not only privacy is not respected, > >> gerald@pfeifer.com > >>> also threatened that more hits would be > generated > >> in > >>> the archives, gerald@pfeifer.com shouldn't do > >> that, > >>> it's against privacy in case you didn't realize! > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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