GNU Assembler?

GNU Assembler?

[Anthony Lee]

Dear all,

Is it true that it is currently not possible to build GNU Assembler
on Digital Unix 4.0D? I tried searching FAQ but couldn't get any 
results using the key words "Digital Unix".

Thank you
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Re: GNU Assembler?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Nov 14, 2000, Anthony Lee <al012@energex.com.au> wrote:

> Is it true that it is currently not possible to build GNU Assembler
> on Digital Unix 4.0D?

This mailing list is about GCC, and the GNU assembler is part of GNU
binutils, a separate project.  I don't think GNU assembler supports
Digital Unix.

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Re: GNU Assembler?

[Alexandre Oliva]

On Nov 22, 2000, Markus Werle <markus@lufmech.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:

> From a users point of view (well, at least from Markus Werle's
> point of view) gcc/binutils belong together in such a strong way,
> that most people would like to have them in the same package.

Well, then you should try to get all maintainers of binutils to
subscribe to this mailing list.  If you post messages to the wrong
forum, you're likely to miss the audience that would be most capable
of answering your question.

> Whom to ask about this? binutils developers? gcc developers?

Both?

> hpux developers? Everyone points to the others
> (no, not everyone: hp sends no reply at all).

:-)

> I believe a lot more people would use gcc if the user help desk

This mailing list is read and answered by volunteers, just like the
rest of the GNU project.  For one, answering messages posted here is
not part of my job at Red Hat.

I'm no binutils expert, but I try to answer questions about it as well
as I can.  But, while I do it, I also point out that people might get
better help by addressing folks that know better than myself.

> (gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org) would include messages from mailing lists
> of binutils. We can't neglect the interaction of several packages.
> Divide and conquer is inappropriate here.

And then, we should get also the maintainers of glibc to subscribe.
And, soon, the maintainers of any project that happens to be installed
by default in any distribution of GNU/Linux, because the compiler just
finds the headers and the libraries of that project, so the compiler
folks must surely know about it, right?  Sorry, this just can't work.
The GNU project already has a generic newsgroup/mailing list in which
volunteers direct message to the maintainers of each tool.  gcc-help
is not such a mailing list, and, if it became one, I'd probably
unsubscribe.

> P.S.: It is the never ending story of the pros and cons of the cygnus
> tree, right?

Well, the unified tree makes it easier for people to build stuff
together, but it doesn't automatically make an expert in *one* of the
projects an expert in all of them.

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Re: GNU Assembler?

[Markus Werle]

In http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2000-11/msg00069.html
Alexandre Oliva wrote:

> This mailing list is about GCC, and the GNU assembler is part of GNU
> binutils, a separate project.

IMHO this distinction is artificial.
IMHO this distinction is contraproductive.
IMHO this distinction is only appropriate from a developer's point of
view.

From a users point of view (well, at least from Markus Werle's
point of view) gcc/binutils belong together in such a strong way,
that most people would like to have them in the same package.
(Yes, sometimes I dream about a single
download-configure-make-makeinstall-procedure for all of it
... including the latest gmake, flex, and other bullshit, but *not* bash
etc.
as provided by the cygnus tree)

I think by now that most of my problems I had with egcs
snapshots had their root in the *interaction* of gcc and binutils.
Whom to ask about this? binutils developers? gcc developers?
hpux developers? Everyone points to the others
(no, not everyone: hp sends no reply at all). Gave me a lot of
disappointment. How can a non-expert decide where the error comes
from?

I believe a lot more people would use gcc if the user help desk
(gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org) would include messages from mailing lists
of binutils. We can't neglect the interaction of several packages.
Divide and conquer is inappropriate here.

Maybe http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html should at least contain a link to
binutils mailing lists archives ( http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/
and http://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-gnu-utils/ )


Markus


P.S.: It is the never ending story of the pros and cons of the cygnus
tree, right?