* Installation problem
@ 2003-03-03 21:04 Marc-André Breton
2003-03-07 5:41 ` LLeweLLyn Reese
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Marc-André Breton @ 2003-03-03 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: GCC - Mailing List
Hi all,
I had an old version of gcc (gcc-2.96) and I tried to install the last release
(gcc-3.2.2). I work on a Linux platform, so I did the following steps to
install it:
1) download gcc-3.2.2.tar.gz from one of mirror sites
2) uncompressed this file in /home (Now I have /home/gcc-3.2.2)
3) cd /home/gcc-3.2.2
4) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# ./configure
5) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# make
6) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# make install
All seem work well but when I type in my console "gcc -v", I see that it's the
old version who is working again.
{Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96110)}
What can I do to Switch between my new version of gcc? Does my installation
procedure is correct?
Marc
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* Re: Installation problem
2003-03-03 21:04 Installation problem Marc-André Breton
@ 2003-03-07 5:41 ` LLeweLLyn Reese
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: LLeweLLyn Reese @ 2003-03-07 5:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc-André Breton; +Cc: GCC - Mailing List
Marc-André Breton <marc.andre.breton@lagrit.etsmtl.ca> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I had an old version of gcc (gcc-2.96) and I tried to install the last release
> (gcc-3.2.2). I work on a Linux platform, so I did the following steps to
> install it:
> 1) download gcc-3.2.2.tar.gz from one of mirror sites
> 2) uncompressed this file in /home (Now I have /home/gcc-3.2.2)
> 3) cd /home/gcc-3.2.2
> 4) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# ./configure
First of all you should build gcc in a seperate directory from the
source dir:
3) mkdir /home/gcc-3.2.2.objdir
4) cd /home/gcc-3.2.2.objdir
5) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2.objdir]# ../gcc-3.2.2/configure --prefix=/usr/local/gcc-3.2.2
Second, the default prefix is /usr/local, but the only sure way to be
able to uninstall gcc is to put it in its own directory - I
usually use /usr/local/<gcc-version> . Furtheremore, it isn't safe
to install two versions of gcc with the same prefix. (Note: your
linux distro will typically use prefix=/usr for the compiler that
comes with the distro.)
Please read http://gcc.gnu.org/install/configure.html
for details.
6) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2.objdir]# make
7) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2.objdir]# make install
> 5) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# make
> 6) [root@lagrit12 gcc-3.2.2]# make install
>
> All seem work well but when I type in my console "gcc -v", I see that it's the
> old version who is working again.
> {Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96110)}
[snip]
Your new version of gcc will have its executables in <prefix>/bin . By
default, prefix is /usr/local . So "/usr/local/bin/gcc -v" should
fetch out 3.2.2 . If you wish this to be the default, put
/usr/local/bin at the front of your path.
Additionaly, you may need to add <prefix>/lib to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH,
or tell ldconfig to add <prefix>/lib to the list of dirs it stuffs
in the link cache, so that programs compiled with gcc 3.2.2 can
find their shared libs.
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* Installation Problem
@ 2007-11-26 20:11 Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-26 21:06 ` John Love-Jensen
2007-11-27 2:50 ` Tim Prince
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Maxwell @ 2007-11-26 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gcc-help, gcc
I am attempting to install gcc-4.2.2 on an SGI Octane running IRIX 6.5.26
I untar'd the gcc-4.2.2.tar file in the target directory /usr/local/gcc4x
I went through the traditional 'configure' step as a prelude to the
'make install' step
That produced the following =>
configure
creating cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... mips-sgi-irix6.5
checking target system type... mips-sgi-irix6.5
checking build system type... mips-sgi-irix6.5
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking whether ln works... yes
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
cannot create executables.
I do have other prior version of gcc installed =>
versions | grep gcc
I fw_gcc 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 GNU Compiler Suite
I fw_gcc.man 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 man pages
I fw_gcc.man.gcc 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 man pages
I fw_gcc.man.info 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 info pages
I fw_gcc.man.relnotes 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 release notes
I fw_gcc.sw 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 execution only env
I fw_gcc.sw.gcc 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 execution only env
I fw_gcc.sw.libstdc++ 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 libstdc++-v3
I fw_gcc.sw.utils 06/05/2007 gcc-3.3 other languages, utilities
I neko_gcc 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 GNU Compiler Collection
I neko_gcc.man 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 man pages
I neko_gcc.man.gcc 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 man pages
I neko_gcc.sw 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 execution only env
I neko_gcc.sw.gcc 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 execution only env
I neko_gcc.sw.utils 11/18/2007 gcc-3.4.6 other languages, utilities
Could you advise?
BTW: I would like to use the Fortran f77 or f95 compiler when installed,
are there any special nuances to observe?
Thanks!
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-26 20:11 Installation Problem Joseph Maxwell
@ 2007-11-26 21:06 ` John Love-Jensen
2007-11-27 2:50 ` Tim Prince
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: John Love-Jensen @ 2007-11-26 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Maxwell, MSX to GCC
Hi Joseph,
> Could you advise?
Odd. You have GCC 3.3 and GCC 3.4.6 installed. Which one is referred to by
the 'gcc' command line command? Does it work? Can you create a runnable
executable with it?
GCC installation instructions:
http://gcc.gnu.org/install/
Also, did you run ./configure, or did you follow the GCC configure
instructions <http://gcc.gnu.org/install/configure.html> and build in a
different directory than than the GCC source code?
Building GCC in the source directory, or any subdirectory thereof, is not
supported. You didn't supply that information, and it is one of the things
that trips people up sometimes, so I thought I'd ask.
This is a gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org question, not a gcc@gcc.gnu.org question.
I've removed gcc@gcc.gnu.org from the response list.
HTH,
--Eljay
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-26 20:11 Installation Problem Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-26 21:06 ` John Love-Jensen
@ 2007-11-27 2:50 ` Tim Prince
2007-11-27 20:47 ` Joseph Maxwell
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tim Prince @ 2007-11-27 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Maxwell; +Cc: gcc-help, gcc
Joseph Maxwell wrote:
>
> I am attempting to install gcc-4.2.2 on an SGI Octane running IRIX 6.5.26
> I untar'd the gcc-4.2.2.tar file in the target directory /usr/local/gcc4x
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
> cannot create executables.
>
> Could you advise?
Someone will have to look at config.log and try to figure out how to
make your previous gcc work. Why not you?
>
> BTW: I would like to use the Fortran f77 or f95 compiler when installed,
> are there any special nuances to observe?
gcc-4.2 includes gfortran; should do the job for you.
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-27 2:50 ` Tim Prince
@ 2007-11-27 20:47 ` Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-27 20:53 ` Kevin P. Fleming
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Maxwell @ 2007-11-27 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tim Prince; +Cc: gcc-help
In the event of a double post, plz. forgive my mail daemon reported a
failure previously
Tim Prince wrote:
> Joseph Maxwell wrote:
>
>> I am attempting to install gcc-4.2.2 on an SGI Octane running IRIX 6.5.26
>> I untar'd the gcc-4.2.2.tar file in the target directory /usr/local/gcc4x
>>
>> checking for gcc... gcc
>> checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
>> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
>> cannot create executables
>> Could you advise?
>>
> Someone will have to look at config.log and try to figure out how to
> make your previous gcc work. Why not you?
>
Perhaps, I lack the superior intellect required to interpret the log,
I've looked at it and am none the wiser. It is very short and I'll post
it here.
NOTE: Not intended for Tim Prince
Perhaps there is decent kind 'soul' out there willing to take a look and
see if a solution is easily recognizable
log file =>
This file contains any messages produced by compilers while
running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.
configure:630: checking host system type
configure:651: checking target system type
configure:669: checking build system type
configure:724: checking for a BSD compatible install
configure:777: checking whether ln works
configure:801: checking whether ln -s works
configure:1866: checking for gcc
configure:1979: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works
configure:1995: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory
configure: failed program was:
#line 1990 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
main(){return(0);}
<= end log file
________________________________
BTW: line 1990 =>
#include "confdefs.h"
...
There is a 'confdefs.h' in the source directory, but empty
There is none in the /usr/include folder but found one in another
folder, don't know if it was modified, the contents were :
#define OS_TYPE "irix6.5"
#define USE_OPIE 1
#define USE_DIGEST 1
#define DEBUG 1
I added it to the source directory
But th problem persist, which seems to indicate that was not the problem
_______________________________
>>
>
>
>> Could you advise?
>>
>> BTW: I would like to use the Fortran f77 or f95 compiler when installed,
>> are there any special nuances to observe?
>>
>
> gcc-4.2 includes gfortran; should do the job for you.
>
Thanks, when I get the installation completed I'll probably get the
gfortran operative
Thanks again
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-27 20:47 ` Joseph Maxwell
@ 2007-11-27 20:53 ` Kevin P. Fleming
2007-11-27 21:11 ` Sven Eschenberg
2007-11-28 2:09 ` Tom Browder
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Kevin P. Fleming @ 2007-11-27 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: gcc-help
Joseph Maxwell wrote:
> Perhaps there is decent kind 'soul' out there willing to take a look and
> see if a solution is easily recognizable
> log file =>
>
> This file contains any messages produced by compilers while
> running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.
>
> configure:630: checking host system type
> configure:651: checking target system type
> configure:669: checking build system type
> configure:724: checking for a BSD compatible install
> configure:777: checking whether ln works
> configure:801: checking whether ln -s works
> configure:1866: checking for gcc
> configure:1979: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works
> configure:1995: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory
This is a pretty clear error message, isn't it? GCC tried to execute a
program called 'as' (which is the GNU assembler from the binutils
package) and it was not available. GCC cannot produce output without an
assembler.
> But th problem persist, which seems to indicate that was not the problem
That is correct, it never was the problem.
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-27 20:47 ` Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-27 20:53 ` Kevin P. Fleming
@ 2007-11-27 21:11 ` Sven Eschenberg
2007-11-28 2:09 ` Tom Browder
2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Sven Eschenberg @ 2007-11-27 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Maxwell; +Cc: gcc-help
Well, the output states:
gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory
Did you check if there is any as / gas ? Does it work properly?
And can you compil any small c programm by hand?
Because if gcc complains about the fact, that it cannot find any assembler,
it is obvious that it is not able to produce executeables, isn't it?
Regards
-Sven
Joseph Maxwell schrieb:
> In the event of a double post, plz. forgive my mail daemon reported a
> failure previously
>
> Tim Prince wrote:
>> Joseph Maxwell wrote:
>>
>>> I am attempting to install gcc-4.2.2 on an SGI Octane running IRIX
>>> 6.5.26
>>> I untar'd the gcc-4.2.2.tar file in the target directory
>>> /usr/local/gcc4x
>>> checking for gcc... gcc
>>> checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
>>> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
>>> cannot create executables
>>> Could you advise?
>>>
>> Someone will have to look at config.log and try to figure out how to
>> make your previous gcc work. Why not you?
>>
> Perhaps, I lack the superior intellect required to interpret the log,
> I've looked at it and am none the wiser. It is very short and I'll
> post it here.
> NOTE: Not intended for Tim Prince
>
> Perhaps there is decent kind 'soul' out there willing to take a look
> and see if a solution is easily recognizable
> log file =>
>
> This file contains any messages produced by compilers while
> running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.
>
> configure:630: checking host system type
> configure:651: checking target system type
> configure:669: checking build system type
> configure:724: checking for a BSD compatible install
> configure:777: checking whether ln works
> configure:801: checking whether ln -s works
> configure:1866: checking for gcc
> configure:1979: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works
> configure:1995: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `as': No such file or directory
> configure: failed program was:
>
> #line 1990 "configure"
> #include "confdefs.h"
>
> main(){return(0);}
>
> <= end log file
>
> ________________________________
> BTW: line 1990 =>
> #include "confdefs.h"
> ...
>
> There is a 'confdefs.h' in the source directory, but empty
> There is none in the /usr/include folder but found one in another
> folder, don't know if it was modified, the contents were :
>
> #define OS_TYPE "irix6.5"
> #define USE_OPIE 1
> #define USE_DIGEST 1
> #define DEBUG 1
>
> I added it to the source directory
>
> But th problem persist, which seems to indicate that was not the problem
>
> _______________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Could you advise?
>>> BTW: I would like to use the Fortran f77 or f95 compiler when
>>> installed,
>>> are there any special nuances to observe?
>>>
>>
>> gcc-4.2 includes gfortran; should do the job for you.
>>
> Thanks, when I get the installation completed I'll probably get the
> gfortran operative
>
> Thanks again
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-27 20:47 ` Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-27 20:53 ` Kevin P. Fleming
2007-11-27 21:11 ` Sven Eschenberg
@ 2007-11-28 2:09 ` Tom Browder
2007-11-28 16:30 ` Joseph Maxwell
2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tom Browder @ 2007-11-28 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Maxwell; +Cc: gcc-help
On Nov 27, 2007 1:30 PM, Joseph Maxwell <jaymax@jaymax.com> wrote:
> In the event of a double post, plz. forgive my mail daemon reported a
> failure previously
First you should answer Eljay's questions because we can't read your
mind nor your past actions in this affair. Tim is trying to get past
the known problem areas from people not exactly following instructions
for building gcc.
Have you successfully built gcc on this host before?
Can you post your configure options?
Can you execute as from the command line?
If you can execute as and gcc from the command line, report results of
the following:
which gcc
which as
-Tom
Tom Browder
Niceville, Florida
USA
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-28 2:09 ` Tom Browder
@ 2007-11-28 16:30 ` Joseph Maxwell
2007-11-28 19:09 ` Tom Browder
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Maxwell @ 2007-11-28 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Browder; +Cc: gcc-help
Tom Browder wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2007 1:30 PM, Joseph Maxwell <jaymax@jaymax.com> wrote:
>
>> In the event of a double post, plz. forgive my mail daemon reported a
>> failure previously
>>
>
> First you should answer Eljay's questions because we can't read your
> mind nor your past actions in this affair. Tim is trying to get past
> the known problem areas from people not exactly following instructions
> for building gcc.
>
>
Thanks Tom. It is not so much what is said, but how someone says it.
Your reply made so much difference, I am now re-looking my whole
download, initial setup, installation etc. The problem exists somewhere
there and I think I'll find it. Although it may be in the SGI's binary
package installation.
> Have you successfully built gcc on this host before
>
Yes I did many years ago, but just a one time installation, 'did not an
expert make. Many disk changes etc. in the interim caused many
archetectural features to go unobserved, especially the 'gas' 'as'
nuance where the problem exist, I think. Even after reading the log, it
did not appear very obvious. It was not until I was searching the disk
that I found traces of an obsolete mips compiler with an 'as' that the
lights went on.
> Can you post your configure options?
>
I was using it with default settings - no options
> Can you execute as from the command line?
>
>
No
> If you can execute as and gcc from the command line, report results of
> the following:
>
> which gcc
>
>
4.2.2
> which as
>
Indeterminate, reinstalling with the version in the binutils-2.18 distro
> -Tom
>
> Tom Browder
> Niceville, Florida
> USA
>
>
I think I'll get it
Thanks again and my apologies for the confusion
PS: Perhaps the log could be re-written so that the naive or uninitiated
do not misconstrue the 'as' as an adjective rather than a noun,
despite the quotes.
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* Re: Installation Problem
2007-11-28 16:30 ` Joseph Maxwell
@ 2007-11-28 19:09 ` Tom Browder
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tom Browder @ 2007-11-28 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joseph Maxwell; +Cc: gcc-help
On 11/28/07, Joseph Maxwell <jaymax@jaymax.com> wrote:
...
> Thanks Tom. It is not so much what is said, but how someone says it.
Well, people do get short fuzes, I included, but most folks here are
very helpful most of the time.
Good luck.
-Tom
P.S. I used to have to work under SGI IRIX but discovered Linux in
about 1994, got the company to accept it, abandoned our expensive
iron, and haven't looked back. I highly recommend it if you can
switch (at least for everything not specifically requiring IRIX).
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* Installation problem
@ 2001-05-20 13:19 Brad O'Hearne
2001-05-20 14:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Brad O'Hearne @ 2001-05-20 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gcc-help
Hello,
I am having a problem on RedHat Linux 7.0 when I try to execute the 'make
bootstrap' command. I am not doing anything custom...I have configured and
I am building using all default options. Configure works fine. I then try
to execute the 'make bootstrap command, and get an error saying that the
file
../libiberty/libiberty.a does not exist
and the make aborts. I have looked on-line and can't find a reference to
this. Help please! Also, I am not on any Gnu mailing lists, so please
reply directly to this email address...thanks!
BradO
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* Re: Installation problem
2001-05-20 13:19 Installation problem Brad O'Hearne
@ 2001-05-20 14:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Oliva @ 2001-05-20 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brad O'Hearne; +Cc: gcc-help
On May 20, 2001, "Brad O'Hearne" <brado@neurofire.com> wrote:
> ../libiberty/libiberty.a does not exist
> and the make aborts
You've probably configured only the gcc subdirectory, whereas you
should have configured the top-level directory.
--
Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/
Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{cygnus.com, redhat.com}
CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}
Free Software Evangelist *Please* write to mailing lists, not to me
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* Installation Problem
@ 2000-12-11 23:53 Sharma Dipesh
2000-12-12 7:42 ` Alexandre Oliva
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Sharma Dipesh @ 2000-12-11 23:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gcc-help
Hello!
How do I install GCC package downloaded from
sunfreeware.com.
Downloaded file:- gcc2.95.2 ..... gz
Uncompressed to :- gcc2.95.2.../local
Now what to do next??
Regards
Dipesh
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* Re: Installation Problem
2000-12-11 23:53 Installation Problem Sharma Dipesh
@ 2000-12-12 7:42 ` Alexandre Oliva
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Alexandre Oliva @ 2000-12-12 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sharma Dipesh; +Cc: gcc-help
On Dec 12, 2000, Sharma Dipesh <dipeshraja@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How do I install GCC package downloaded from
> sunfreeware.com.
Why are you asking us (the GCC team), given that you didn't get them
from us? There should be instructions in the download site. If not,
complain to whoever maintains the site.
--
Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/
Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{cygnus.com, redhat.com}
CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}
Free Software Evangelist *Please* write to mailing lists, not to me
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