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From: "Дилян Палаузов" <dilyan.palauzov@aegee.org>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	       gcc-patches	 <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Make clear, when contributions will be ignored
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 12:44:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <120af439a98fc4160e684fca11fc63715e20ca93.camel@aegee.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190210205616.GJ14180@gate.crashing.org>

Hello Segher,

the current procdure is:

-- write at https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/
-- read an answer, that the update shall be posted to gcc-patches
-- subscribe to gcc-patches, post the change and wait for an answer.

This waiting is not for free.  There are a lot of emails, for the person might not be interested, but only waits for a
reply on the own email.  So after some time, I made filters sorting the emails from the mailing list, in order to make
the waiting cheaper.

-- at https://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/contribute.html is written “If you do not receive a response to a patch that you
have submitted within two weeks or so, it may be a good idea to chase it by sending a follow-up email to the same
list(s).”

Because it is written that reminders are..., I have sent a reminder.


> > If yes, how do you propose to proceed, so that a no-reminders-are-necessary-state is reached?
> 
> Keep things as is?  Reminders already are not necessary.
> 

This statement does not align with the aforementioned webpage.

The optimal way will be, if a bug/patch is filled in bugzilla and nothing more is necessary from the reporter.  Postgres
sends bugs collected over website over a mailing list.

Regards
  Дилян

On Sun, 2019-02-10 at 14:56 -0600, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> Hi Dilyan,
> 
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 02:45:02PM +0000, Дилян Палаузов wrote:
> > Do you share the opinion, that whatever can be done after receiving a reminder, can be arranged also without reminder? 
> 
> Yes.  When people have time for it, they can trivially check what PRs are
> still open that they are involved in.
> 
> > If yes, how do you propose to proceed, so that a no-reminders-are-necessary-state is reached?
> 
> Keep things as is?  Reminders already are not necessary.
> 
> If you want more attention given to the bugs you are involved in, you can
> hire people to do that, or file reports for more interesting bugs, or make
> your bug reports easier to work with.
> 
> Since GCC has one major release every year, handling less urgent bugs can
> take up to a year as well.
> 
> > I read in the answer of Segher, that the purpose of reminding is not only to ping, but also to filter the ones who are
> > pernetrant and sending manually reminders is the means to verify, that the persons really want to make progress.  It was
> > certainly not intentionally meant this way, but this is a possible reading.
> 
> The point is that automated reminders for PRs *are spam*.
> 
> 
> Segher

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-11 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-05  7:36 Make claer, " Дилян Палаузов
2018-12-05 17:13 ` Segher Boessenkool
2018-12-05 17:37   ` Joseph Myers
2018-12-07 10:55     ` Make clear, " Дилян Палаузов
2018-12-21  8:08       ` +reminder+ " Дилян Палаузов
2019-02-05 13:36       ` Дилян Палаузов
2019-02-05 23:10         ` Joseph Myers
2019-02-06 12:46       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-02-10 14:45         ` Дилян Палаузов
2019-02-10 20:59           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-02-11 12:44             ` Дилян Палаузов [this message]
2019-02-11 14:01               ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-02-11 14:16                 ` Дилян Палаузов
2019-02-11 16:27                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-02-17 17:00                     ` Дилян Палаузов
2019-02-17 19:13                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-02-17 19:47                         ` Дилян Палаузов
2018-12-05 17:17 ` Make claer, " Maciej W. Rozycki

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