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From: Qing Zhao <qing.zhao@oracle.com>
To: Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
Cc: "gcc Patches" <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	"Martin Jambor" <mjambor@suse.cz>,
	"Martin Liška" <mliska@suse.cz>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, "Jan Hubicka" <hubicka@ucw.cz>,
	"richard Biener" <rguenther@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC]  GCC support for live-patching
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 17:19:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1277CA12-162C-4619-BD89-0F709AE0A3D2@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B95C0D05-7F97-4C9F-B75F-208C89F3ACB9@oracle.com>

Hi, Nicolai and Miroslav,

both of you asked for the details why our internal customer “is so keen about live patch code size” (why -flive-patching=inline-only-static is so 
important to them).  here is more details I got from them (with some update):

   Our use case is different from kGraft. Linux kernel patching involves modification of a single copy of text, in our case we can have thousands of user processes we'll have to patch. As number of candidate functions increase, so will the set of pages that will have to be modified for each process. We attempt to minimize amount of private memory consumed by each process.

   We use different infrastructure and tools from kGraft implementation. Solutions or tools that work there do not necessarily work or can be adopted by us.

   My strong preference is to not adapt online patching to global function inlining.

I hope that the above is clear. and for them to use GCC’s live patching feather, -flive-patching=inline-only-static is a must. 

thanks.

Qing


> On Oct 23, 2018, at 2:33 PM, Qing Zhao <qing.zhao@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> however,  -flive-patching = [only-inline-static | inline-clone] are
>>> necessary.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to learn why that internal customer is so keen
>> about live patch code size? I mean either their live patch creation is
>> somehow automated or not.
> 
> My understanding is that their patch creation is mainly by hand. as you mentioned before,  it will be very tedious and
> error-prone in step 3, therefore they want to control the impacted function list as small as possible with reasonable run-time
> performance. 
> 
> I am not sure how easily for them to come up with a good tool for step 3 for their application. 



>>>>> On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz> wrote:
>>> the major functionality we want is:   to Only enable static inlining for live patching for one 
>>> of our internal customers.   the major purpose is to control the patch code size explosion and
>>> debugging complexity due to too much inlining of global functions for the specific application.
>> 
>> I hoped for more details, but ok.
> at this time, this is the details I have. I can ask more if more details are needed.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-24 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-18 18:58 [PATCH][Middle-end][Version 3]Add a new option to control inlining only on static functions Qing Zhao
2018-09-18 23:18 ` Martin Sebor
2018-09-19 15:07   ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-21 15:19     ` [PATCH][Middle-end][Version 4]Add " Qing Zhao
2018-09-26  1:01       ` PING: " Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 11:20       ` Alexander Monakov
2018-09-26 12:49         ` Paolo Carlini
2018-09-26 14:43         ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 15:18           ` Alexander Monakov
2018-09-26 23:07             ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 23:54               ` Alexander Monakov
2018-09-27  5:16                 ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-27  7:46                   ` Richard Biener
2018-09-27 16:30                     ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-27  8:55                   ` Alexander Monakov
2018-09-27  8:58                 ` Jan Hubicka
2018-09-27 11:12                   ` Richard Biener
2018-09-26 13:24       ` Jason Merrill
2018-09-26 13:31         ` Richard Biener
2018-09-26 13:40           ` Jason Merrill
2018-09-26 14:46             ` Jeff Law
2018-09-26 14:58               ` Jason Merrill
2018-09-26 15:10                 ` Jan Hubicka
2018-09-26 17:12                   ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 17:22                     ` Jan Hubicka
2018-09-26 21:36                       ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-27  9:47                         ` Jan Hubicka
2018-09-27 12:29                           ` GCC options for kernel live-patching (Was: Add a new option to control inlining only on static functions) Martin Jambor
2018-09-27 16:40                             ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-01 17:14                             ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-02  8:38                               ` Martin Jambor
2018-10-02 14:00                                 ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-02 14:11                                   ` Martin Liška
2018-10-02 14:55                                     ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-02 14:59                                       ` Martin Liška
2018-10-02 15:24                                         ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-02 17:16                                           ` Martin Liška
2018-10-02 18:34                                             ` Richard Biener
2018-10-02 21:25                                               ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-03  9:05                                                 ` Martin Liška
2018-10-03 10:53                                                 ` Martin Jambor
2018-10-03 16:11                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-04 13:20                                                     ` Richard Biener
2018-10-18 19:36                                                       ` [RFC] GCC support for live-patching Qing Zhao
2018-10-19  8:53                                                         ` Bernhard Reutner-Fischer
2018-10-19 18:33                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-24 21:16                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-10-19 14:25                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2018-10-19 18:33                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-20  6:47                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2018-10-22 13:07                                                         ` Martin Jambor
2018-10-22 17:59                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-22 15:36                                                         ` Miroslav Benes
2018-10-22 21:01                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-23  9:37                                                             ` Miroslav Benes
2018-10-23 19:54                                                               ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-24 13:17                                                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2018-10-23 13:37                                                             ` Nicolai Stange
2018-10-23 20:34                                                               ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-23 21:18                                                                 ` Nicolai Stange
2018-10-24 17:19                                                                 ` Qing Zhao [this message]
2018-10-31 22:04                                                         ` [RFC] [2nd version] " Qing Zhao
2018-10-31 22:08                                                         ` [RFC] " Qing Zhao
2018-10-03  9:23                                             ` GCC options for kernel live-patching (Was: Add a new option to control inlining only on static functions) Jan Hubicka
2018-10-03 11:27                                               ` Martin Liška
2018-10-22 10:49                                                 ` Martin Liška
     [not found]                                                   ` <20181105095135.j3mnzox6rkktkoto@kam.mff.cuni.cz>
2018-11-05 22:26                                                     ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-07 14:22                                                     ` Martin Liška
2018-11-07 14:27                                                       ` Jan Hubicka
2018-11-07 14:44                                                         ` Martin Liška
2018-11-08 14:59                                                       ` Jan Hubicka
2018-11-09 15:33                                                         ` [PATCH][RFC] Come up with -flive-patching master option Martin Liška
2018-11-09 17:43                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-10  8:51                                                             ` Martin Liška
2018-11-12  2:28                                                               ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-12  8:53                                                                 ` Martin Liška
2018-11-12 22:29                                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-13 17:49                                                                     ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-13 19:18                                                                       ` Miroslav Benes
2018-11-13 21:16                                                                         ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-14 15:03                                                                           ` Martin Liška
2018-11-14 17:54                                                                             ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-15  8:41                                                                               ` Martin Liška
2018-11-15 15:41                                                                                 ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-16  1:36                                                                                   ` [PATCH]Come " Qing Zhao
2018-11-16 15:26                                                                                     ` Martin Liška
2018-11-16 15:51                                                                                       ` Jan Hubicka
2018-11-16 16:25                                                                                         ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-16 16:05                                                                                       ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-19  8:12                                                                                         ` Martin Liška
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <F78B52B9-9F9A-4FA0-91BF-A33307D87AA8@oracle.c! ! om>
2018-11-19 15:53                                                                                           ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-20 12:10                                                                                             ` Martin Liška
2018-11-20 15:32                                                                                               ` [PATCH][Version 3]Come " Qing Zhao
2018-11-26 15:54                                                                                                 ` PING: " Qing Zhao
2018-11-30 17:04                                                                                                   ` [wwwdocs] [PATCH]introduce new -flive-patching master option into gcc9 Qing Zhao
2018-11-30 18:29                                                                                                     ` Jeff Law
2018-11-30 20:44                                                                                                       ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-28 15:52                                                                                                 ` [PATCH][Version 3]Come up with -flive-patching master option Jan Hubicka
2018-11-28 20:25                                                                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2018-11-29 16:16                                                                                                     ` Qing Zhao
2018-12-05 23:16                                                                                                     ` Question on Disable no throw for " Qing Zhao
2019-01-02 11:47                                                                                                       ` Martin Liška
2019-01-09 11:28                                                                                                         ` Martin Liška
2018-12-07 13:07                                                                                                     ` [PATCH][Version 3]Come up with " Rainer Orth
2018-12-07 15:14                                                                                                       ` Qing Zhao
2019-04-10 14:46                                                                                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-04-10 19:24                                                                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2019-04-10 20:01                                                                                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2019-04-11  8:11                                                                                                       ` Richard Biener
2018-11-14 22:05                                                                           ` [PATCH][RFC] Come " Miroslav Benes
     [not found]                                                               ` <20181110170343.g3k7j7rlydid3ahr@kam.mff.cuni.cz>
2018-11-12  9:29                                                                 ` Martin Liška
2018-11-09 18:38                                                           ` Bernhard Reutner-Fischer
2018-11-10  8:48                                                           ` Martin Liška
2018-10-03 12:18                                               ` GCC options for kernel live-patching (Was: Add a new option to control inlining only on static functions) Martin Jambor
2018-10-03 16:00                                               ` Qing Zhao
2018-10-23 12:34                             ` Performance impact of disabling non-clone IPA optimizations for the Linux kernel (was: "GCC options for kernel live-patching") Nicolai Stange
2018-10-24 14:30                               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-10-24 14:44                                 ` Miroslav Benes
2018-09-27 16:32                           ` [PATCH][Middle-end][Version 4]Add a new option to control inlining only on static functions Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 22:42                       ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 16:02               ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 15:52           ` Qing Zhao
2018-09-26 16:02             ` Jan Hubicka
2018-09-26 18:51               ` Qing Zhao

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