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From: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask@sygehus.dk>
To: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>
Cc: GCC Patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>, Jan Hubicka <jh@suse.cz>,
	        Richard Kenner <kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>,
	        rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070808152749.GD25795@sygehus.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46B8CFFD.2020406@gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Uros Bizjak wrote:
> Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >   It only helps a little. For example, powerpc-unknown-eabisim hasn't 
> >   built
> >for a few months now, despite sharing much code with targets such as
> >powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu, powerpc-ibm-aix5.2.0.0 and
> >powerpc-apple-darwin8.5.0 which are built and tested daily.
> >  
> In the long term, I was thinking about -m16 compile flag, so we could 
> combine for example "-march=core2 -m16". Having -m16, the testsuite 
> would be run with RUNTESTFLAGS="--target_board=unix\{,-m16\}".
 
   When would "-march=core2 -m16" make any sort of sense? Note that you
won't be able to configure for e.g. i686-pc-linux-gnu and run the test suite
with "--target_board=unix\{,-m16\}" because -m32 uses glibc and -m16 uses
newlib.

> IIRC, linux boot code was just converted to plain C, and -m16 would 
> surely find some use there.

   The linux boot code compiles into 32-bit, i386+ code using the unmodified
i386 back end. That it runs in a code segment where the default data and
address sizes are 16 bits just means that it needs a lot of 0x66 and 0x67
prefixes, but that's handled entirely by GAS. If you want to help the linux
people here, implement an option to reliably output a ".code16gcc" directive
at the beginning of the asm file.

> >   This may not look like a lot, but it centers around the only common
> >characteristics of the x86 family: The mod r/m fields of an instruction, 
> >the
> >effect that instructions have on the condition codes and the x87.
> 
> I have actually dig out an old Turbo Assembler Quick Reference Guide, 
> and (let's say more than) 90% of instructions are shared between 8086, 
> 80286 and 80386 (modulo r/m32 and imm32).

mov/div/add/sub/or/xor/and/push/pop,jmp,jCC is shared,
shift/rotate[1],mul,sCC,mov[zs]MN,lea,cmov isn't. It's not like 90%.
Addressing modes are also significantly different.

[1] The detail here is that while the assembler syntax, permitted operands
and such are similiar, these instructions are usually prohibitively
expensive on anything less than an i80386.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 14:23 Uros Bizjak
2007-08-07  1:29 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-07 17:37   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-08-07 20:03   ` Uros Bizjak
2007-08-08 12:21     ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-08 17:30       ` Mark Mitchell
2007-08-08 23:22         ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-08 18:52       ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-08 20:24         ` Michael Matz
2007-08-08 20:59         ` H.J. Lu
2007-08-08 22:46           ` DJ Delorie
2007-08-09  9:33         ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-09 14:01           ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-09 15:43           ` DJ Delorie
2007-08-08 15:28     ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen [this message]
2007-08-17 22:38       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18  2:34         ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18  5:33           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18 17:36             ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18 17:50               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18 20:39                 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19  2:11                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-19 12:25                     ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 20:07                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21  8:48                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21 14:35                         ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-21 17:46                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21 18:56                             ` Real-mode i386 back end (Was: New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86) Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19  7:29                   ` New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86 H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-19 10:56                     ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 21:40                       ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-19 19:58 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 16:11 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 17:36 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18 20:46 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 16:20 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-02 20:15 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 19:25 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 22:57 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
     [not found] <20070801153758.ACBB974253@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca.suse.lists.egcs-patches>
2007-08-01 17:44 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 15:38 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 17:59 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-07-31 18:06 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01  0:34 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01  9:53   ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 12:33     ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01 12:44       ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 13:41         ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01 13:52           ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 10:38   ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-01 17:30     ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-07-31 15:24 Ross Ridge
2007-07-31 17:44 ` Michael Matz
2007-07-31  0:50 Ross Ridge
2007-07-31  8:54 ` Tristan Gingold
2007-07-31 13:46 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen

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