How can we make progress here? I could try to produce some "Tony Tables" of diagnostic output of my modified stdx::simd. I believe it's a major productivity boost to see abbreviated / "obfuscated" diagnostics *out-of-the box* (with the possibility to opt-out). Actually, it already *is* a productivity boost to me. Understanding diagnostics has improved from "1. ooof, I'm not going to read this, let me rather guess what the issue was 2. sh** I have to read it 3. several minutes later: I finally found the five words to understand the problem; I could use a break" to "1. right, let me check that" For reference I'll attach my stdx::simd diagnose_as patch. We could also talk about extending the feature to provide more information about the diagnose_as substition. E.g. print a list of all diagnose_as substitutions, which were used, at the end of the output stream. Or simpler, print "note: some identifiers were simplified, use -fno-diagnostics-use- aliases to see their real names". On Tuesday, 1 June 2021 21:12:18 CEST Jason Merrill wrote: > > Right, but then two of my design goals can't be met: > > > > 1. Diagnostics have an improved signal-to-noise ratio out of the box. > > > > 2. We can use replacement names that are not valid identifiers. > > This is the basic disconnect: I think that these goals are > contradictory, and that replacement names that are not valid identifiers > will just confuse users that don't know about them. > > If a user sees stdx::foo in a diagnostic and then tries to refer to > stdx::foo and gets an error, the diagnostic is not more helpful than one > that uses the fully qualified name. > > Jonathan, David, any thoughts on this issue? -- ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Dr. Matthias Kretz https://mattkretz.github.io GSI Helmholtz Centre for Heavy Ion Research https://gsi.de std::experimental::simd https://github.com/VcDevel/std-simd ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────