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From: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
To: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	       Aldy Hernandez <aldyh@redhat.com>
Cc: Martin Sebor <msebor@gmail.com>, gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: protected alloca class for malloc fallback
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3f8d451d-557d-fb96-7747-dea1c6540cd4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <283F73AD-B7CD-4389-908C-BBF479DF9101@gmail.com>

On 08/10/2016 12:33 PM, Richard Biener wrote:
>>>
>>> Why would you want to get rid of the alloca here?
>> Do you know the range for LENGTH in the code above?
>
> Yes, it's a set of tree code names.
>
> Is it based on
>> something the user could potentially control (like a variable name,
>>  typdef name, etc).  If you don't know the length or it's possibly
>> under
>>
>> the control of the user, then this can blow out the stack, which
>> makes the code vulnerable to a stack shifting style attack by which
>> further writes into the stack are actually writing into other parts
>> of the stack, the heap, plt or some other location.  Essentially
>> this gives an
>>
>> attacker control over one or more stores to memory, which is often
>>  enough of a vulnerability to mount an attack.
>
> Yes, I understand that.  The above is not such a case.  If an
> attacker can trick me into compiling (and possibly executing) his
> code then things are lost anyway.  No need for a fancy buffer
> overflow.
I think you're being rather short-sighed here.  GCC is being used in 
ways we can't necessarily predict -- which might include compile 
servers, JITs, web services, etc.


In those kind of environments I think you have a significantly different 
threat model and GCC itself becomes part of the attack surface.

There's existing web sites I'm pretty sure I could compromise if I had 
the interest by exploiting bugs in GCC and libiberty.

Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-16 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-04 11:30 Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-04 12:58 ` Richard Biener
2016-08-04 15:19   ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-04 19:24     ` Jeff Law
2016-08-05 14:37       ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-05 15:15         ` Pedro Alves
2016-08-05 16:23         ` Jeff Law
2016-08-05 17:48           ` Richard Biener
2016-08-05  8:17     ` Richard Biener
2016-08-04 19:06 ` Pedro Alves
2016-08-04 19:16   ` Jeff Law
2016-08-04 19:22     ` Pedro Alves
2016-08-04 19:26       ` Jeff Law
2016-08-04 19:31         ` Pedro Alves
2016-08-05  2:10 ` Martin Sebor
2016-08-05 14:42   ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-05 17:56     ` Richard Biener
2016-08-05 18:16       ` Oleg Endo
2016-08-05 20:07         ` Richard Biener
2016-08-06 10:09           ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-06 10:15           ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-06 15:08             ` Richard Biener
2016-08-08 17:00               ` Jeff Law
2016-08-08 17:32                 ` Trevor Saunders
2016-08-08 19:03                   ` Richard Biener
2016-08-09 11:34                   ` Oleg Endo
2016-08-09 17:34                     ` Trevor Saunders
2016-08-10 17:03                       ` Oleg Endo
2016-08-11  1:23                         ` Trevor Saunders
2016-08-11 12:18                           ` Oleg Endo
2016-08-11 17:55                             ` Trevor Saunders
2016-08-20  2:29                         ` Mike Stump
2016-08-21 20:00                           ` C++11? (Re: protected alloca class for malloc fallback) Pedro Alves
2016-08-22  7:10                             ` Trevor Saunders
2016-08-22  7:28                               ` Richard Biener
2016-08-22 12:02                             ` Eric Gallager
2016-08-22 12:58                               ` Manuel López-Ibáñez
2016-08-22 22:08                               ` Mike Stump
2016-08-23 23:17                                 ` Eric Gallager
2016-08-09 13:17       ` protected alloca class for malloc fallback Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-09 13:21         ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-08-10 10:04         ` Richard Biener
2016-08-10 10:12           ` Aldy Hernandez
2016-08-10 10:39             ` Richard Biener
2016-08-10 18:00           ` Jeff Law
2016-08-10 18:33             ` Richard Biener
2016-08-16 16:28               ` Jeff Law [this message]
2016-08-16 16:44                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-08-16 16:47                   ` Jeff Law
2016-08-16 17:54                     ` Martin Sebor
2016-08-17  8:27                       ` Richard Biener
2016-08-17 13:39                         ` Martin Sebor

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