From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22504 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2004 12:22:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-patches-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-patches-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 22452 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 12:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.224.249) by sourceware.org with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 12:22:17 -0000 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bev9N-0006v4-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:22:17 +0200 Received: from paride.rett.polimi.it ([131.175.65.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:22:17 +0200 Received: from bonzini by paride.rett.polimi.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:22:17 +0200 To: gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org From: Paolo Bonzini Subject: Re: Patch to allow Ada to work with tree-ssa Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:09:00 -0000 Message-ID: <40E00E46.7010902@gnu.org> References: <10406251240.AA08759@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: paride.rett.polimi.it User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) In-Reply-To: <10406251240.AA08759@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> X-SW-Source: 2004-06/txt/msg02361.txt.bz2 [Moved to gcc] > When I first started working with computers, a high-end machine cost 52 > *years* of typical salaries. Now we're talking about well under a week's > salary to buy the fastest possible machine (perhaps as little as a day). The first part is just statistics. With the second, I cannot but disagree. But if I had to upgrade my Pentium 4 1.7 GHz now (bought used for ~300 Euros), I would probably spend no less than 1200 Euros, even if not buying a new mouse/keyboard/graphics board/hard drive. (As to hard drives, I was lucky enough :-) to have a 20 GB one fail a month before its warranty expired; they gave me back a 60 GB disk, the smallest they had in store, and with two OSes installed I still have 50-odd free gigabytes). I'm a volunteer, and it takes me a few months to *save* 1200 Euros, money that I'd like to save for other purposes (you know, holidays for example :-). I think this holds for many other volunteers here who are Ph.D. students, and the youngest GCC developers probably still live on their parents' money. Not to mention countries in the third world; I don't buy the argument of "you'd be surprised about the machines they have in the third world", especially because here we're interested in upgrade rates: though they may buy nice boxes *now*, I doubt they'll upgrade them for a while. My university has just dismissed some HP 715's, I'd rather not try bootstrapping GCC *there*. Paolo