From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask@sygehus.dk>
Cc: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
GCC Patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
Jan Hubicka <jh@suse.cz>,
Richard Kenner <kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>,
rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:40:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C8A72A.9050300@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070819100903.GA25795@sygehus.dk>
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 07:11:11PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> All of these are primarily constrained by space, so size optimization is
>> what really matters. I have so far operated on the assumption that
>> 16-bit addressing modes are more space-efficient than 32-bit ones,
>> despite the register allocation issues, due to the lack of 67 prefixes,
>> SIB bytes, 32-bit offsets and the occational need to save/restore a
>> 32-bit register instead of a 16-bit one.
>
> Mov reg,reg is two bytes, the 0x67 prefix is only one byte, so the 16-bit
> modes are larger for disp(reg) any time the register allocater doesn't get
> the register right.
+2 bytes if the displacement is more than 8 bits, since you end up with
a 32-bit displacement instead of a 16-bit displacement.
> Btw, you'll find that GCC will like to use lea to mupltiply by two. That
> alone will result in many sequences like
>
> movw %bx, %di
> leaw (%bx,%di), %ax
>
> which is a bit worse than
>
> movw %bx, %ax
> shlw $1, %ax
I mostly see the second form, so far. I presume having a proper cost
table should help.
>> 286, 486, and 586 don't really add enough instructions to be worth
>> worrying with, as far as I can see. 386 obviously adds 32-bit registers
>> and a whole bunch of useful instructions (movsx, movzx especially);
>
> mov[sz]x are very useful becase 3 out of 7 registers don't accept movb.
> Additionally they are better for register allocation than the 8086
> instructions.
>
> The i386 also added two more segment registers, making far pointers
> approximately a no-brainer to implement in a compiler.
>
>> 686 adds cmov (although that only saves one byte compared to a branch over
>> a mov.)
>
> cmov was primarily thought of as a performance improvement.
>
Yup, hence us settling on 386 as the suitable CPU level.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-19 20:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-06 14:23 Uros Bizjak
2007-08-07 1:29 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-07 17:37 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-08-07 20:03 ` Uros Bizjak
2007-08-08 12:21 ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-08 17:30 ` Mark Mitchell
2007-08-08 23:22 ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-08 18:52 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-08 20:24 ` Michael Matz
2007-08-08 20:59 ` H.J. Lu
2007-08-08 22:46 ` DJ Delorie
2007-08-09 9:33 ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-09 14:01 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-09 15:43 ` DJ Delorie
2007-08-08 15:28 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-17 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18 2:34 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18 5:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18 17:36 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18 17:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-18 20:39 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 2:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-19 12:25 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 20:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21 8:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21 14:35 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-21 17:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-21 18:56 ` Real-mode i386 back end (Was: New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86) Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 7:29 ` New back end ia16: 16-bit Intel x86 H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-19 10:56 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-19 21:40 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
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2007-08-19 19:58 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 16:11 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 17:36 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-18 20:46 Ross Ridge
2007-08-19 16:20 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-02 20:15 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 19:25 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 22:57 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
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2007-08-01 17:44 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-01 15:38 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 17:59 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-07-31 18:06 Ross Ridge
2007-08-01 0:34 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01 9:53 ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 12:33 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01 12:44 ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 13:41 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-08-01 13:52 ` Richard Kenner
2007-08-01 10:38 ` Jan Hubicka
2007-08-01 17:30 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
2007-07-31 15:24 Ross Ridge
2007-07-31 17:44 ` Michael Matz
2007-07-31 0:50 Ross Ridge
2007-07-31 8:54 ` Tristan Gingold
2007-07-31 13:46 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
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