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the >>> build was successful, and I didn't see any obvious issues with the >>> @gol removal in either the PDF or HTML output, so I think we are OK >>> for backward compatibility. >> >> FWIW macOS/Darwin (as delivered by Apple) is stuck on 4.8 (and, >> presumably, very unlikely to advance), but I would expect most macOS >> FOSS users have something newer installed, either self-built or via >> macposrts/homebrew etc. so the “admits to actually using” applies >> here too I think (personally, I am using 6.7 but not for any special >> reason other than it was current when I updated  my local toolset). >> So I think Darwin can also manage with a newer requirement. > > Well, with 4.8 being too old to produce PDF output, that does kind of > kill my idea of replacing the existing requirement for a specific > Texinfo version with "the version that comes with your OS distribution > is good enough".  :-( > > AFAIK we have not knowingly changed any specific requirements beyond the > stated 4.7 and 4.9 for PDF output, but it concerns me that nobody is > likely to be using versions that old on a regular basis to make sure > they continue to work and we haven't unknowingly introduced dependencies > on newer Texinfo features. > > Anyway, I think I will leave the existing requirement alone for now, and > just add a note that newer versions produce better output. Oh, I need to take that back -- looking now, it's 4.8 for PDF output, not 4.9 like I was thinking before I had enough caffeine in my bloodstream. I'll leave the version check in place but add some text suggesting a more recent version, anyway. -Sandra