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From: Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>
To: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>,
	GCC Patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	       Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] support for multiarch systems
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:55:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E504D21.7090709@ubuntu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1108202020470.28732@digraph.polyomino.org.uk>

On 08/20/2011 10:39 PM, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Matthias Klose wrote:
> 
>> The multiarch triplets are defined in the target specific tmake files, and
>> provided for all known existing multiarch implementations (currently Debian,
>> Ubuntu and derivatives).  For non-multilib'd configurations, the triplet is
> 
> Is there a specification somewhere of what the various triplets mean?

there is
https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/lsb-discuss/2011-February/006674.html
http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Tuples

but the documentation is not up to date. The tuples in use are:

$ for a in alpha amd64 armel armhf hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc powerpcspe
ppc64 s390 s390x sh4 sparc sparc64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64 hurd-i386; do
dpkg-architecture -a$a -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH 2>/dev/null; done
alpha-linux-gnu
x86_64-linux-gnu
arm-linux-gnueabi
arm-linux-gnueabihf
hppa-linux-gnu
i386-linux-gnu
ia64-linux-gnu
mips-linux-gnu
mipsel-linux-gnu
powerpc-linux-gnu
powerpc-linux-gnuspe
powerpc64-linux-gnu
s390-linux-gnu
s390x-linux-gnu
sh4-linux-gnu
sparc-linux-gnu
sparc64-linux-gnu
i386-kfreebsd-gnu
x86_64-kfreebsd-gnu
i386-gnu

>> defined in MULTIARCH_DIRNAME, for multilib'd configurations each directory in
>> MULTILIB_OSDIRNAMES gets an multiarch directory associated, separated by a colon
> 
> I don't see any documentation in fragments.texi for this 
> (MULTIARCH_DIRNAME is new so certainly needs documenting, even if you get 
> away with not adding to the nonexistent documentation for 
> MULTILIB_OSDIRNAMES (PR 25508)).

well, I hope I get away with copying it from genmultilib without closing the
report ;)

>> (e.g. ../lib:x86_64-linux-gnu).  The multiarch names are as used by Debian, the
> 
> Does this work with the "gccdir=osdir" and "gccdir=!osdir" cases before 
> the colon?

amd64 is configured this way, and I don't handle the !osdir case other than for
the multilib osdir.

>> mips names go back to a discussion from 2006 [3] to match thee, ones for glibc.
> 
> For x86, shouldn't a name be allocated for x32?

maybe, but I didn't see a port yet.

> For m68k, classic m68k and ColdFire have incompatible ABIs.  So you need 
> to define what m68k-linux-gnu means of the two ABIs.  Unfortunately 
> building for ColdFire has been broken for some time, since 
> <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2010-12/msg01845.html> (this ought to 
> have been dependent on the --with-arch configurey).

it's the classic m68k. yes, it has to be defined.

> For 32-bit Power, hard-float and soft-float ABIs are incompatible.  
> Furthermore, the soft-float ABI is used at function-calling level for 
> e500v1 and e500v2 - but there are differences in the details of the glibc 
> symbols exported (and at least the fenv.h ABI is incompatible between 
> soft-float and e500).  So actually there are four variants at the glibc 
> level.  You need to define what powerpc-linux-gnu means and avoid it being 
> used for anything incompatible.

same here. powerpc-linux-gnu is the hard-float one. Debian has an e500 port in
development which currently uses powerpc-linux-gnuspe

> For MIPS, the hard-float and soft-float ABIs are incompatible.  So you 
> need twelve triplets, not six.

yes. but I didn't see a soft-float mips port yet.

> For ARM, you have a ChangeLog entry with no corresponding patch.  You need 
> to distinguish big and little endian; old ABI, EABI soft-float ABI and 
> EABI hard-float ABI (six triplets).

ok, added. Debian has little endian ports only. I see that dpkg treats the
obsolete armeb port as armeb-linux-gnu.

> Not all of those variants necessarily are configurable in a multilib 
> configuration in the FSF tree (the e500 variants can be achieved with 
> powerpc-linux-gnuspe triplets, for example, but those don't have other 
> multilibs).  So maybe some of the names won't actually appear in the FSF 
> sources - but you still need to define the semantics of the names that do 
> appear (whether in the manuals, on the GCC wiki or elsewhere) and 
> preferably have somewhere to define semantics for the names not used in 
> multilib configurations in FSF GCC.

For now, the multiarch documentation should be consolidated; I would like to add
a link from the FCC wiki to this documentation mentioned above.

  Matthias



  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-21  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-20 21:07 Matthias Klose
2011-08-20 21:16 ` Jakub Jelinek
2011-08-21  2:22   ` Matthias Klose
2011-08-20 21:44 ` Joseph S. Myers
2011-08-21  7:55   ` Matthias Klose [this message]
2011-08-21 10:20     ` Andrew Pinski
2011-08-21 16:23     ` Joseph S. Myers
2011-08-21  9:05 ` Matthias Klose
2011-08-22 18:51   ` Toon Moene
2011-09-06  6:57   ` Thomas Schwinge
2011-11-01 19:48   ` Marc Glisse
2011-11-02  0:53     ` Joseph S. Myers
2012-05-08  1:04 ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-08 13:21   ` Joseph S. Myers
2012-05-09  0:38     ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-09 13:37       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-09 15:34         ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-09 16:29           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-09 17:19             ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-10  6:42               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-11  5:14                 ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-11 10:51                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-11 18:33                     ` Matthias Klose
2012-05-12 22:09                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2012-05-19 16:05       ` Thomas Schwinge
2012-06-06 14:28         ` Thomas Schwinge
2012-06-25 13:23 ` Matthias Klose
2012-06-25 14:00   ` Joseph S. Myers
2012-06-25 16:26     ` Matthias Klose
2012-06-28 10:31       ` Thomas Schwinge
2012-06-28 11:30         ` Matthias Klose
2012-06-28 11:41           ` Thomas Schwinge
2012-07-08 18:50 ` [patch v2] " Matthias Klose
2012-07-18 19:00   ` Thomas Schwinge
2012-07-19  1:12   ` John David Anglin
2012-07-19  3:19     ` David Miller
2012-07-19 15:14     ` Joseph S. Myers
2012-08-07 10:33   ` [ping] " Matthias Klose
2012-08-07 14:07     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2012-11-02 13:26       ` Matthias Klose
2012-11-02 17:37         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2012-11-04 15:45           ` Matthias Klose
2012-11-14 20:44             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2012-11-21  0:53               ` Matthias Klose
2012-11-15 11:44     ` Eric Botcazou
2012-11-15 11:58       ` Matthias Klose
2012-11-15 16:33         ` Eric Botcazou

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