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From: Jeff Law <>
To: Jeff Law via Gcc-patches <>,
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] Extend SLP permutation optimisations
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:38:19 -0600	[thread overview]
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On 8/30/2022 8:50 AM, Richard Sandiford wrote:
> Jeff Law via Gcc-patches <> writes:
>> On 8/25/2022 7:07 AM, Richard Sandiford via Gcc-patches wrote:
>>> Currently SLP tries to force permute operations "down" the graph
>>> from loads in the hope of reducing the total number of permutations
>>> needed or (in the best case) removing the need for the permutations
>>> entirely.  This patch tries to extend it as follows:
>>> - Allow loads to take a different permutation from the one they
>>>     started with, rather than choosing between "original permutation"
>>>     and "no permutation".
>>> - Allow changes in both directions, if the target supports the
>>>     reverse permutation.
>>> - Treat the placement of permutations as a two-way dataflow problem:
>>>     after propagating information from leaves to roots (as now), propagate
>>>     information back up the graph.
>>> - Take execution frequency into account when optimising for speed,
>>>     so that (for example) permutations inside loops have a higher
>>>     cost than permutations outside loops.
>>> - Try to reduce the total number of permutations when optimising for
>>>     size, even if that increases the number of permutations on a given
>>>     execution path.
>>> See the big block comment above vect_optimize_slp_pass for
>>> a detailed description.
>>> The original motivation for doing this was to add a framework that would
>>> allow other layout differences in future.  The two main ones are:
>>> - Make it easier to represent predicated operations, including
>>>     predicated operations with gaps.  E.g.:
>>>        a[0] += 1;
>>>        a[1] += 1;
>>>        a[3] += 1;
>>>     could be a single load/add/store for SVE.  We could handle this
>>>     by representing a layout such as { 0, 1, _, 2 } or { 0, 1, _, 3 }
>>>     (depending on what's being counted).  We might need to move
>>>     elements between lanes at various points, like with permutes.
>>>     (This would first mean adding support for stores with gaps.)
>>> - Make it easier to switch between an even/odd and unpermuted layout
>>>     when switching between wide and narrow elements.  E.g. if a widening
>>>     operation produces an even vector and an odd vector, we should try
>>>     to keep operations on the wide elements in that order rather than
>>>     force them to be permuted back "in order".
>> Very cool.  Richi and I discussed this a bit a year or so ago --
>> basically noting that bi-directional movement is really the way to go
>> and that the worst thing to do is push a permute down into the *middle*
>> of a computation chain since that will tend to break FMA generation.
>> Moving to the loads or stores or to another permute point ought to be
>> the goal.
> Hmm, I hadn't thought specifically about the case of permutes
> ending up in the middle of a fusable operation.  The series doesn't
> address that directly.  If we have:
>    permute(a) * permute(b) + c
> then the tendency will still be to convert that into:
>    permute(a * b) + c
> Damn.  Another case to think about ;-)
> I've pushed the series for now though (thanks to Richi for the reviews).
There's a simple testcase attached to PR101895 which shows an example 
where (in the gcc-11 era) we pushed a permute down in a problematic 
way.   It might be worth taking a looksie, though I think we're avoiding 
the problem behavior via a workaround on the trunk right now.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-31 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-25 13:04 [PATCH 0/6] Optimise placement of SLP permutations Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:05 ` [PATCH 1/6] Split code out of vectorizable_slp_permutation Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:05 ` [PATCH 2/6] Split code out of vect_transform_slp_perm_load Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:05 ` [PATCH 3/6] Make graphds_scc pass the node order back to callers Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:06 ` [PATCH 4/6] Rearrange unbounded_hashmap_traits Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:06 ` [PATCH 5/6] Add base hash traits for vectors Richard Sandiford
2022-08-25 13:07 ` [PATCH 6/6] Extend SLP permutation optimisations Richard Sandiford
2022-08-26 16:26   ` Jeff Law
2022-08-30 14:50     ` Richard Sandiford
2022-08-30 14:50       ` Richard Sandiford
2022-08-31 14:38       ` Jeff Law [this message]
2022-08-26  9:25 ` [PATCH 0/6] Optimise placement of SLP permutations Richard Biener

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