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From: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: "David Edelsohn" <dje.gcc@gmail.com>,
	"Martin Liška" <mliska@suse.cz>,
	"GCC Patches" <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	"Richard Sandiford" <richard.sandiford@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [stage1][PATCH] Lower VEC_COND_EXPR into internal functions.
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 20:38:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <77CDEEE9-8B55-4B7B-BB51-48047AD94B4C@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200603182314.GZ31009@gate.crashing.org>

On June 3, 2020 8:23:14 PM GMT+02:00, Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 07:23:47PM +0200, Richard Biener wrote:
>> >>   mask = vec_cmp of the comparison
>> >>   true_masked = true_op & mask;
>> >>   false_masked = false_op & ~mask;
>> >>   result = true_masked | false_masked;
>> >> 
>> >> but I believe this would be dead code never triggered.
>> >
>> >But that would be the generic code as well?  Is that not useful to
>have
>> >in any case?
>> 
>> Sure. If you remove the vcond patterns from your port the vectorizer
>will do this transparently for you. So if you do not actually have a
>more clever way of representing this in the ISA there's no point of the
>vcond patterns. (though I think the vec_cmp ones didn't originally
>exist) 
>
>So why can the expander not just do that whenever the patterns FAIL as
>well?

It could but all the vectorizer costing assumed it goes the 'cheaper' way. So this is kind of a sanity check. And what when vec_cmp expansion fails as well? Resort to scalar soft FP support as ultimate fallback? That sounds very wrong as a auto vectorization result... 

>> The point is the vectorizer relies on a optab query for querying
>backend support and power claims vcond support here. If you then FAIL
>you have lied. (not in your interpretation of the pattern docs but in
>the implementations since introduction of vcond named patterns) 
>
>Almost all RTL patterns are allowed to FAIL, and that is a very good
>thing.  If the vectoriser does not allow that, *it* is buggy.

Your opinion. Please suggest a better way to query target vector capabilities. 

>> So if you're happy I'll document explicitly that vector named
>patterns may not FAIL. 
>
>That will not work in general at all, no.  Please document it for only
>those RTL patterns you need it for (and it is documented per pattern
>currently, anyway).

Sure, will do. But as Richard said, the documented list is the other way around. 
At least that was my interpretation. 

All vectorizer queried optabs have this constraint BTW.

Richard. 

>
>Segher


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-03 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-24 10:25 [PATCH][RFC] Come up with VEC_COND_OP_EXPRs Martin Liška
2019-09-24 11:11 ` Richard Sandiford
2019-09-24 11:29   ` Richard Biener
2019-09-24 11:57     ` Richard Sandiford
2019-09-24 12:18       ` Richard Biener
2019-09-24 14:51         ` Richard Sandiford
2020-04-01 10:19 ` [stage1][PATCH] Lower VEC_COND_EXPR into internal functions Martin Liška
2020-04-06  9:17   ` Richard Sandiford
2020-04-06 12:30     ` Richard Biener
2020-05-21 12:51       ` Martin Liška
2020-05-21 13:29         ` Martin Liška
2020-05-21 20:16           ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-22 11:14             ` Richard Biener
2020-05-26 10:15               ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-27 14:04                 ` Martin Liška
2020-05-27 16:13                   ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-27 16:32                     ` Richard Biener
2020-05-28 14:46                       ` Martin Liška
2020-05-28 15:28                         ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-29 12:17                           ` Richard Biener
2020-05-29 12:43                             ` Richard Biener
2020-05-29 16:47                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-29 17:05                                 ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-29 17:30                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-29 15:39                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-29 16:57                               ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-29 17:09                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-29 17:26                                   ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-29 17:37                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-05-30  7:15                                       ` Richard Sandiford
2020-05-30 13:08                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-02 11:09                                           ` Richard Biener
2020-06-02 15:00                                             ` Martin Liška
2020-06-03  7:38                                               ` Richard Biener
2020-06-03 13:41                                                 ` Richard Sandiford
2020-06-03 14:17                                                   ` David Edelsohn
2020-06-03 14:46                                                     ` Richard Biener
2020-06-03 17:01                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-03 17:23                                                         ` Richard Biener
2020-06-03 18:23                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-03 18:38                                                             ` Richard Biener [this message]
2020-06-03 18:46                                                               ` David Edelsohn
2020-06-03 19:09                                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-03 19:13                                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-06-03 18:27                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-06-08 11:04                                                 ` Martin Liška
2020-06-09 13:42                                                   ` Richard Biener
2020-06-10  8:51                                                     ` Martin Liška
2020-06-10 10:50                                                       ` Richard Biener
2020-06-10 12:27                                                         ` Martin Liška
2020-06-10 13:01                                                           ` Martin Liška
2020-06-11  8:52                                                     ` Martin Liška
2020-06-12  9:43                                                       ` Richard Biener
2020-06-12 13:24                                                         ` Martin Liška
2020-06-15  7:14                                                           ` Richard Biener
2020-06-15 11:19                                                             ` Martin Liška
2020-06-15 11:59                                                               ` Richard Biener
2020-06-15 12:20                                                                 ` Martin Liška
2020-06-17  8:50                                                                   ` Richard Biener
2020-06-17 13:15                                                                     ` Richard Biener
2020-06-18  8:10                                                                       ` Martin Liška
2020-06-18  8:52                                                                         ` Richard Biener
2020-06-18  9:02                                                                           ` Martin Liška
2020-06-18  9:29                                                                             ` Martin Liška
2020-04-06 12:33     ` Richard Biener

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