From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout-p-103.mailbox.org (mout-p-103.mailbox.org [80.241.56.161]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAFE63858D32 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 11:04:40 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org DAFE63858D32 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=aarsen.me Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=aarsen.me Received: from smtp102.mailbox.org (smtp102.mailbox.org [IPv6:2001:67c:2050:b231:465::102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-103.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PZv1d3kDCz9skj; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:04:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aarsen.me; s=MBO0001; t=1678705477; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vEyeYjdZQYEAVig+/kJGIIA5nP9Imyq312KO0m/K2Wg=; b=NhnbPKGaC/VE+S8sYpYgkMFwvOf9/j6DdgbRDJn7ApG51ScRKAQwqt6Ot0bdZEAmnpnCoB gRNkRGjKtsEocxcVNl4lTuvGSsg9S7UGD22AgW+3KsTu0e8UK8/4iRlsEpz4jTUz7nWjUn sP38VroKfQm88rE5Si0p9sShrliew1M/Hb8vXKsN3fFx0SbDaIv7PyORf3VAQgo78WDhv0 D6NnwG+QdhbpRXLEx/iFxp7KEwE+FRmhMv+xtNGgDrq2vErZuNSg8BBBdgaGuvs5Lk62Ht FTq+SXt9ma1EhsK/PiLyf5rFrUpzWbgIOdu4j0mnFXfXJ6GoqrmEgpohz0YQ8Q== References: <20230223102714.3606058-1-arsen@aarsen.me> <76f92bd2-7d4b-15ba-12ca-8de44e91b886@codesourcery.com> <86lek7txey.fsf@aarsen.me> <86a60m98dz.fsf@aarsen.me> <708c48a9-a64d-6485-3e42-1ef9d97ffc7e@codesourcery.com> <5cbb4215-365f-1b74-3503-9a2bf4239a54@siemens.com> <8B7A5370-059A-41E7-B809-B51CA964150E@googlemail.com> <45b56ddb-62f6-afe1-4a20-ad674c8cc4ab@pfeifer.com> From: Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= To: Richard Biener Cc: Gerald Pfeifer , Sandra Loosemore , Iain Sandoe , Andrew Pinski , Sandra Loosemore , GCC Patches , Joseph Myers Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] A small Texinfo refinement Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:01:47 +0100 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <86y1o0syil.fsf@aarsen.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PZv1d3kDCz9skj X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,KAM_INFOUSMEBIZ,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Biener writes: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:00=E2=80=AFPM Gerald Pfeifer wrote: >> >> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Sandra Loosemore wrote: >> > AFAIK we have not knowingly changed any specific requirements beyond t= he >> > stated 4.7 and 4.9 for PDF output, but it concerns me that nobody is >> > likely to be using versions that old on a regular basis to make sure >> > they continue to work and we haven't unknowingly introduced dependenci= es >> > on newer Texinfo features. >> >> I'm generally very interested in ensuring we do not hurt users who do not >> have the latest and greatest of the day. On the other hand, if there's a >> few people using (more or less deliberately abandonware) we should not >> feel too bad if something breaks. >> >> > Anyway, I think I will leave the existing requirement alone for now, a= nd >> > just add a note that newer versions produce better output. >> >> With Richi mentioning that SLE 12 (which was first released 9 years ago) >> uses texinfo 4.13a and Andrew mentioning that RHEL 7 uses texinfo 5.1 I >> would feel very comfortable making either 4.13 or even 5.1 the new minim= um. >> >> (Not because we need to cater to those two Enterprise Linux distros, >> rather since they tend to fall on the conversative side.) > > We could also opt to ship generated pdf documentation with the > release tarballs - the pre-built info format plus manual pages is > probably of less use these days? They're still widely installed and I suspect many open the manpages as a quick reference. I guess that fewer open the info pages, but it's not nobody (I certainly do, but I also have texinfo installed so I can generate them anyway, as I do for the weekly snapshots that I have installed). > Richard. > >> Gerald =2D-=20 Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iOYEARYKAI4WIQT+4rPRE/wAoxYtYGFSwpQwHqLEkwUCZA8DQl8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0RkVF MkIzRDExM0ZDMDBBMzE2MkQ2MDYxNTJDMjk0MzAxRUEyQzQ5MxAcYXJzZW5AYWFy c2VuLm1lAAoJEFLClDAeosST7OQA/Rha0DfzwMvr4NiegUe/qGY0cDJNKuWMsGaM O2CoeWGjAQDmb6qwHYLyUWX9+rp+Oeeu5ZTR9RZco1gSrBPcqq+WCA== =EcL8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--