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From: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>
Cc: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>,
	Qing Zhao <qing.zhao@oracle.com>,
	Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	gcc Patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	isanbard@gmail.com
Subject: Re: HELP: Will the reordering happen? Re: [V3][PATCH 0/3] New attribute "counted_by" to annotate bounds for C99 FAM(PR108896)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 13:13:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C968A634-2B26-4CCD-902B-D04C2ACB4BF2@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ff1737cd4607e3e8e672fae8c84da17d522736c8.camel@tugraz.at>



> Am 25.10.2023 um 12:47 schrieb Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>:
> 
> Am Mittwoch, dem 25.10.2023 um 06:25 -0400 schrieb Siddhesh Poyarekar:
>>> On 2023-10-25 04:16, Martin Uecker wrote:
>>> Am Mittwoch, dem 25.10.2023 um 08:43 +0200 schrieb Richard Biener:
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 24.10.2023 um 22:38 schrieb Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am Dienstag, dem 24.10.2023 um 20:30 +0000 schrieb Qing Zhao:
>>>>>> Hi, Sid,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Really appreciate for your example and detailed explanation. Very helpful.
>>>>>> I think that this example is an excellent example to show (almost) all the issues we need to consider.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I slightly modified this example to make it to be compilable and run-able, as following:
>>>>>> (but I still cannot make the incorrect reordering or DSE happening, anyway, the potential reordering possibility is there…)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  1 #include <malloc.h>
>>>>>>  2 struct A
>>>>>>  3 {
>>>>>>  4  size_t size;
>>>>>>  5  char buf[] __attribute__((counted_by(size)));
>>>>>>  6 };
>>>>>>  7
>>>>>>  8 static size_t
>>>>>>  9 get_size_from (void *ptr)
>>>>>> 10 {
>>>>>> 11  return __builtin_dynamic_object_size (ptr, 1);
>>>>>> 12 }
>>>>>> 13
>>>>>> 14 void
>>>>>> 15 foo (size_t sz)
>>>>>> 16 {
>>>>>> 17  struct A *obj = __builtin_malloc (sizeof(struct A) + sz * sizeof(char));
>>>>>> 18  obj->size = sz;
>>>>>> 19  obj->buf[0] = 2;
>>>>>> 20  __builtin_printf (“%d\n", get_size_from (obj->buf));
>>>>>> 21  return;
>>>>>> 22 }
>>>>>> 23
>>>>>> 24 int main ()
>>>>>> 25 {
>>>>>> 26  foo (20);
>>>>>> 27  return 0;
>>>>>> 28 }
>>>>>> 
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>>> When it’s set I suppose.  Turn
>>>> 
>>>> X.l = n;
>>>> 
>>>> Into
>>>> 
>>>> X.l = __builtin_with_size (x.buf, n);
>>> 
>>> It would turn
>>> 
>>> some_variable = (&) x.buf
>>> 
>>> into
>>> 
>>> some_variable = __builtin_with_size ( (&) x.buf. x.len)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So the later access to x.buf and not the initialization
>>> of a member of the struct (which is too early).
>>> 
>> 
>> Hmm, so with Qing's example above, are you suggesting the transformation 
>> be to foo like so:
>> 
>> 14 void
>> 15 foo (size_t sz)
>> 16 {
>> 16.5  void * _1;
>> 17  struct A *obj = __builtin_malloc (sizeof(struct A) + sz * sizeof(char));
>> 18  obj->size = sz;
>> 19  obj->buf[0] = 2;
>> 19.5  _1 = __builtin_with_size (obj->buf, obj->size);
>> 20  __builtin_printf (“%d\n", get_size_from (_1));
>> 21  return;
>> 22 }
>> 
>> If yes then this could indeed work.  I think I got thrown off by the 
>> reference to __bdos.
> 
> Yes. I think it is important not to evaluate the size at the
> access to buf and not the allocation, because the point is to 
> recover it from the size member even when the compiler can't 
> see the original allocation.

But if the access is through a pointer without the attribute visible even the Frontend cannot recover?  We’d need to force type correctness and give up on indirecting through an int * when it can refer to two diffenent container types.  The best we can do I think is mark allocation sites and hope for some basic code hygiene (not clobbering size or array pointer through pointers without the appropriately attributed type)

> Evaluating at this point requires that the size is correctly set
> before the access to the FAM and the user has to make sure 
> this is the case. But to me this requirement would make sense.
> 
> Semantically, it could aöso make sense to evaluate the size at a
> later time.  But then the reordering becomes problematic again.
> 
> Also I think this would make this feature generally more useful.
> For example, it could work also for others pointers in the struct
> and not just for FAMs.  In this case, the struct may already be
> freed when  BDOS is called, so it might also not possible to
> access the size member at a later time.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
>> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-25 15:24 Qing Zhao
2023-08-25 15:24 ` [V3][PATCH 1/3] Provide counted_by attribute to flexible array member field (PR108896) Qing Zhao
2023-09-08 14:12   ` Qing Zhao
2023-09-20 13:44   ` Ping * 2: " Qing Zhao
2023-10-05 18:51   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-05 19:31     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-18 14:51       ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-18 15:18         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-18 15:37           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-18 14:41     ` Qing Zhao
2023-08-25 15:24 ` [V3][PATCH 2/3] Use the counted_by atribute info in builtin object size [PR108896] Qing Zhao
2023-09-08 14:12   ` Qing Zhao
2023-09-20 13:44   ` PING *2: " Qing Zhao
2023-10-05 20:01   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-18 20:39     ` Qing Zhao
2023-08-25 15:24 ` [V3][PATCH 3/3] Use the counted_by attribute information in bound sanitizer[PR108896] Qing Zhao
2023-09-08 14:12   ` Qing Zhao
2023-09-20 13:45   ` PING * 2: " Qing Zhao
2023-08-25 19:51 ` [V3][PATCH 0/3] New attribute "counted_by" to annotate bounds for C99 FAM(PR108896) Kees Cook
2023-09-08 14:11 ` Qing Zhao
2023-09-20 13:43 ` PING * 2: " Qing Zhao
2023-10-05 20:08 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-05 22:35   ` Kees Cook
2023-10-06  5:11     ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-06 10:50       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-06 20:01         ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-18 15:37           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-18 19:35           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-18 21:11   ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-19 23:33     ` Kees Cook
2023-10-20  9:50       ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-20 18:34         ` Kees Cook
2023-10-20 18:48           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-20 19:54             ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 18:17               ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 19:52               ` Kees Cook
2023-10-23 19:57                 ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 22:03                   ` Kees Cook
2023-10-20 17:08     ` HELP: Will the reordering happen? " Qing Zhao
2023-10-20 18:22       ` Richard Biener
2023-10-20 18:38         ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-20 19:10           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-20 20:41             ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23  7:57               ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23 11:27                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-23 12:34                   ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23 13:23                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-23 15:14                     ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 14:56                 ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 15:57                   ` Richard Biener
2023-10-23 16:37                     ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 18:06                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 18:31                         ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 19:00                           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 19:37                             ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 20:33                               ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 18:33                         ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 18:43                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-23 18:55                           ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-23 19:43                           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-23 22:48                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-24 20:30                               ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-24 20:38                                 ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-24 21:09                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-24 22:51                                   ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-24 23:56                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-25 13:27                                       ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 14:50                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-25 15:38                                           ` Richard Biener
2023-10-25 19:03                                             ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-26  5:21                                               ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-10-26  8:56                                                 ` Richard Biener
2023-10-26 14:58                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-26 15:48                                                     ` Richard Biener
2023-10-26 16:16                                                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 14:41                                                 ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 18:44                                           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 22:06                                         ` Kees Cook
2023-10-25 22:27                                           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 22:32                                             ` Kees Cook
2023-10-26  8:15                                               ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 16:13                                                 ` Kees Cook
2023-10-26 16:45                                                   ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 19:57                                                     ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-27  7:21                                                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-27 14:32                                                         ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-27 14:53                                                           ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-27 15:10                                                             ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-27 17:19                                                               ` Kees Cook
2023-10-27 18:13                                                                 ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25  5:26                                     ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-25  6:43                                   ` Richard Biener
2023-10-25  8:16                                     ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-25 10:25                                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-25 10:47                                         ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-25 11:13                                           ` Richard Biener [this message]
2023-10-25 18:16                                             ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26  8:45                                               ` Richard Biener
2023-10-26  9:20                                                 ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 10:14                                                   ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 14:05                                                     ` Richard Biener
2023-10-26 18:54                                                       ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-27 16:43                                                         ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-26 16:41                                                   ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-26 17:05                                                     ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-26 17:35                                                       ` Richard Biener
2023-10-26 19:20                                                       ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 18:17                                             ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-25 10:25                                       ` Richard Biener
2023-10-25 10:39                                         ` Martin Uecker
2023-10-25 18:06                                           ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-24 21:03                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-24 22:41                                   ` Qing Zhao
2023-10-24 23:51                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-10-25 21:59                                       ` Kees Cook
2023-10-23 18:10                       ` Joseph Myers

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