From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27D723858D32 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:05:34 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 27D723858D32 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id y14so11823945ljq.4 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678698332; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=t593xJtm3t7RtkjBef7ozUnVMJ7VoYm9fhUv+XiNgOg=; b=O0lP1VBtHWEm78yHHYeBqDLRptfVw99Yjze8d22QG0EdPT1ijmpCB1rA7SnOtf6Dja X9K6yN1C118BG10Itkyu7m6Hzn36hc/24s+268kG6TbnW50D+a2i9dgEtWdwRDB+/p6M C/xYUt/jpanVB1qkgmFd8y5mpbNsr6I4XKyvSVMOCf+692t1tOyqgaBzYxSyJQ3jH3w0 IaHXf4Ao4Sj0+e/hzqUHVcd3h1zTZB2fC5205rxYX43vTZuLAoddJIiTNLM03AzpuRuK zv/Uss3kq4OBg9VYUy211UOporHdGCdNZhHK6f4cMxWdH2761Vdp2t37cyRyvK6unt0z ZBig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678698332; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=t593xJtm3t7RtkjBef7ozUnVMJ7VoYm9fhUv+XiNgOg=; b=2h5X7cVZHmQNuSDltLAjZYXBoB7UnJIhwz2HtcTnMiaEsBspaTz9RVpGu3+FOhuqiq OkU3WsXNBMyMLZ5sX/5yg/g1vb+2aJLjf9Osbf3EmHe1ZEgbqm8E68dauU1bJjQLpgwU pFbZ+NTlyZIU7Nd0R3wQnusRf9R2jlZP6sLh2J3IpbBqTByfw8ZDMEvhy4KrMPwPuvRE /jlf1gF7j4I1P8K20IngGNk2JkOmU/cOTEUCkOtbd3DZ9KTQw8fkbUOUvllOrAvve+lF F3AvywLFh467IEoVFuRPXYKxUi2bN51hQZpNmGeLS0KvyHJnTXnYFOTh3g052K/xW/sv HDHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVZXu0mhimpgHUu0eQH2FyPVG4XoUaprfyK/B3foemjTHbHh7XN DbuJv2g0bd30WJjPJJqiuKdJa/jRMM4xQby/yCE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/96V++tQN5ld0uJKnec6i7M9/CEJiByD00fw/SauOWKwf1FZgeVO1Wyrf42uSoLezmWVAZ6Zqb63USv5fUKg8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5a5:0:b0:295:b29f:a663 with SMTP id f5-20020a2eb5a5000000b00295b29fa663mr10365607ljn.6.1678698331839; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 02:05:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230223102714.3606058-1-arsen@aarsen.me> <76f92bd2-7d4b-15ba-12ca-8de44e91b886@codesourcery.com> <86lek7txey.fsf@aarsen.me> <86a60m98dz.fsf@aarsen.me> <708c48a9-a64d-6485-3e42-1ef9d97ffc7e@codesourcery.com> <5cbb4215-365f-1b74-3503-9a2bf4239a54@siemens.com> <8B7A5370-059A-41E7-B809-B51CA964150E@googlemail.com> <45b56ddb-62f6-afe1-4a20-ad674c8cc4ab@pfeifer.com> In-Reply-To: <45b56ddb-62f6-afe1-4a20-ad674c8cc4ab@pfeifer.com> From: Richard Biener Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:05:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] A small Texinfo refinement To: Gerald Pfeifer Cc: Sandra Loosemore , Iain Sandoe , Andrew Pinski , Sandra Loosemore , =?UTF-8?Q?Arsen_Arsenovi=C4=87?= , GCC Patches , Joseph Myers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 8:00=E2=80=AFPM Gerald Pfeifer = wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > > AFAIK we have not knowingly changed any specific requirements beyond th= e > > stated 4.7 and 4.9 for PDF output, but it concerns me that nobody is > > likely to be using versions that old on a regular basis to make sure > > they continue to work and we haven't unknowingly introduced dependencie= s > > on newer Texinfo features. > > I'm generally very interested in ensuring we do not hurt users who do not > have the latest and greatest of the day. On the other hand, if there's a > few people using (more or less deliberately abandonware) we should not > feel too bad if something breaks. > > > Anyway, I think I will leave the existing requirement alone for now, an= d > > just add a note that newer versions produce better output. > > With Richi mentioning that SLE 12 (which was first released 9 years ago) > uses texinfo 4.13a and Andrew mentioning that RHEL 7 uses texinfo 5.1 I > would feel very comfortable making either 4.13 or even 5.1 the new minimu= m. > > (Not because we need to cater to those two Enterprise Linux distros, > rather since they tend to fall on the conversative side.) We could also opt to ship generated pdf documentation with the release tarballs - the pre-built info format plus manual pages is probably of less use these days? Richard. > Gerald