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From: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: Trevor Saunders <tbsaunde@tbsaunde.org>
Cc: Martin Sebor <msebor@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Wakely <jwakely@redhat.com>,
	 gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] define auto_vec copy ctor and assignment (PR 90904)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:51:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFiYyc3Nj96Fg5Jui2HSU_N927f=3aqkRNwDoaKBp2zfFnoRFQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YLiS0iRlLsMfUmeP@rag>

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:29 AM Trevor Saunders <tbsaunde@tbsaunde.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2021 at 10:04:03AM -0600, Martin Sebor via Gcc-patches wrote:
> > On 6/2/21 12:55 AM, Richard Biener wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:56 PM Martin Sebor <msebor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 5/27/21 2:53 PM, Jason Merrill wrote:
> > > > > On 4/27/21 11:52 AM, Martin Sebor via Gcc-patches wrote:
> > > > > > On 4/27/21 8:04 AM, Richard Biener wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 3:59 PM Martin Sebor <msebor@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 4/27/21 1:58 AM, Richard Biener wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:46 AM Martin Sebor via Gcc-patches
> > > > > > > > > <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > PR 90904 notes that auto_vec is unsafe to copy and assign because
> > > > > > > > > > the class manages its own memory but doesn't define (or delete)
> > > > > > > > > > either special function.  Since I first ran into the problem,
> > > > > > > > > > auto_vec has grown a move ctor and move assignment from
> > > > > > > > > > a dynamically-allocated vec but still no copy ctor or copy
> > > > > > > > > > assignment operator.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The attached patch adds the two special functions to auto_vec along
> > > > > > > > > > with a few simple tests.  It makes auto_vec safe to use in containers
> > > > > > > > > > that expect copyable and assignable element types and passes
> > > > > > > > > > bootstrap
> > > > > > > > > > and regression testing on x86_64-linux.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The question is whether we want such uses to appear since those
> > > > > > > > > can be quite inefficient?  Thus the option is to delete those
> > > > > > > > > operators?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would strongly prefer the generic vector class to have the properties
> > > > > > > > expected of any other generic container: copyable and assignable.  If
> > > > > > > > we also want another vector type with this restriction I suggest to add
> > > > > > > > another "noncopyable" type and make that property explicit in its name.
> > > > > > > > I can submit one in a followup patch if you think we need one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not sure (and not strictly against the copy and assign).  Looking
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > I see that vec<> does not do deep copying.  Making auto_vec<> do it
> > > > > > > might be surprising (I added the move capability to match how vec<>
> > > > > > > is used - as "reference" to a vector)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vec base classes are special: they have no ctors at all (because
> > > > > > of their use in unions).  That's something we might have to live with
> > > > > > but it's not a model to follow in ordinary containers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think we have to live with it anymore, now that we're writing
> > > > > C++11.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The auto_vec class was introduced to fill the need for a conventional
> > > > > > sequence container with a ctor and dtor.  The missing copy ctor and
> > > > > > assignment operators were an oversight, not a deliberate feature.
> > > > > > This change fixes that oversight.
>
> I've been away a while, but trying to get back into this, sorry.  It was
> definitely an oversight to leave these undefined for the compiler to
> provide a default definition of, but I agree with Richi, the better
> thing to have done, or do now would be to mark them as deleted and make
> auto_vec move only (with copy() for when you really need a deep copy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The revised patch also adds a copy ctor/assignment to the auto_vec
> > > > > > primary template (that's also missing it).  In addition, it adds
> > > > > > a new class called auto_vec_ncopy that disables copying and
> > > > > > assignment as you prefer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm, adding another class doesn't really help with the confusion richi
> > > > > mentions.  And many uses of auto_vec will pass them as vec, which will
> > > > > still do a shallow copy.  I think it's probably better to disable the
> > > > > copy special members for auto_vec until we fix vec<>.
> > > >
> > > > There are at least a couple of problems that get in the way of fixing
> > > > all of vec to act like a well-behaved C++ container:
> > > >
> > > > 1) The embedded vec has a trailing "flexible" array member with its
> > > > instances having different size.  They're initialized by memset and
> > > > copied by memcpy.  The class can't have copy ctors or assignments
> > > > but it should disable/delete them instead.
> > > >
> > > > 2) The heap-based vec is used throughout GCC with the assumption of
> > > > shallow copy semantics (not just as function arguments but also as
> > > > members of other such POD classes).  This can be changed by providing
> > > > copy and move ctors and assignment operators for it, and also for
> > > > some of the classes in which it's a member and that are used with
> > > > the same assumption.
> > > >
> > > > 3) The heap-based vec::block_remove() assumes its elements are PODs.
> > > > That breaks in VEC_ORDERED_REMOVE_IF (used in gcc/dwarf2cfi.c:2862
> > > > and tree-vect-patterns.c).
> > > >
> > > > I took a stab at both and while (1) is easy, (2) is shaping up to
> > > > be a big and tricky project.  Tricky because it involves using
> > > > std::move in places where what's moved is subsequently still used.
> > > > I can keep plugging away at it but it won't change the fact that
> > > > the embedded and heap-based vecs have different requirements.
> > >
> > > So you figured that neither vec<> nor auto_vec<> are a container like
> > > std::vector.
> >
> > That's obvious from glancing at their definitions.  I didn't go
> > through the exercise to figure that out.
> >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure it makes sense to try to make it so since obviously vec<>
> > > was designed to match the actual needs of GCC.  auto_vec<> was added
> > > to make a RAII (like auto_bitmap, etc.) wrapper, plus it got the ability
> > > to provide initial stack storage.
> >
> > The goal was to see if the two vec instances could be made safer
> > to use but taking advantage of C++ 11 features.  As I mentioned
> > recently, creating a copy of a vec and modifying it changes it as
> > well as the original (e.g., by changing a vec argument passed to
> > it by value a function changes the actual argument in the caller).
> > That's surprising to most C++ programmers.
>
> It can probably be improved now with c++11, but while very unfortunate
> There is hard requirements on how vec works from existing code using it.
>
> > My conclusion from the exercise is that although some of the problems
> > with vec can, and IMO should, be solved, making the heap-based one
> > a well-behaved C++ 11 container will take considerable effort and
> > is impossible for the embedded vec.
>
> Yes, fortunately things using embedded vec do not at all expect a c++
> container, and so don't really mismatch it.  You probably should not be
> creating them yourself unless you are creating a new object with an
> embedded vector, and you probably don't want to do that.
>
> > >
> > > > It doesn't seem to me that having a safely copyable auto_vec needs
> > > > to be put on hold until the rats nest above is untangled.  It won't
> > > > make anything worse than it is.  (I have a project that depends on
> > > > a sane auto_vec working).
> > >
> > > So how does your usage look like?  I can't really figure who'd need
> > > deep copying of a container - note there's vec<>::copy at your
> > > discretion.
> > >
> > > > A couple of alternatives to solving this are to use std::vector or
> > > > write an equivalent vector class just for GCC.
>
> imho one of the significant advantages to having our own datastructures
> rather than using the standard library is the ability to have a
> different API that is less constrained by history, and can make better
> choices than standard containers like deleting operators that would
> otherwise require deep coppies.  Though certainly they don't always live
> up to that like the oversight here of not defining the copy / assignment
> operators at all.  Perhaps there's an argument to be made for the
> standard containers doing deep coppies that it makes the language easier
> to use, but its not all that much easier than .copy(), if that's your
> priority c++ probably isn't the right tool for the job, and I doubt it
> makes sense for gcc in particular.
>
> > > As said, can you show the usage that's impossible to do with
> > > the current vec<>/auto_vec<>?
> >
> > The test case in PR 90904 shows a trivial example.  More generally,
> > using an auto_vec that depends on it being assignable (e.g., storing
> > an auto_vec in another container like hash_map or auto_vec itself)
> > is impossible.  Using a plain vec requires manual memory management
> > and so is error-prone.

Btw, I remember once trying to make hash_map<int, auto_vec<int, 1> >
work which pre-dated C++11 allowance (but I found a much nicer,
albeit non-"C++" solution using obstacks and linked lists .. heh).  That
might work nowadays if we fix hash_map re-allocation to use
std::move and add move CTORs to the auto_vec<int, N> template
(I refrained from that when I added them to the , 0 specialization
since even moving would mean moving quite some storage).

> Certainly deleting the copy constructor and assignment operator means
> that you can't use them,  but can you show real code where it is a
> significant imposition to have to call .copy() rather than using them?
> Certainly its a little longer, but deep copies are a bit of a
> performance footgun, especially when you have vectors linear in the size
> of the function all over, and your goal is to be no worse than
> O(N log(N)), meaning you can copy the vector at most log(N) times at
> worst.
>
> I would think storing move only objects in auto_vec and hash_* should
> work, and if it doesn't should be fixable without introducing overly
> easy ways to make deep coppies.
>
> > But more important, as a C++ code base, GCC should follow the best
> > practices for the language.  Among the essential ones are using RAII
> > to manage resources and the Rule of Three (or Five in C++ 11): a class
> > that defines a dtor should also define a copy ctor and copy assignment
> > (and move ctor and move assignment in C++).
>
> When discussing the rule of 3/5 at least
> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/rule_of_three considers
> deleting the member to be a form of definition, see the part about non
> copiable members and deleting both copy constructor and assignment, in
> this case to make the class move only.  Strictly speaking, I suppose its
> true that an array of 10k items is copiable, but its also very likely
> something to be avoided if at all possible, and doesn't need to be made
> easy.
>
> Trev
>
> >
> > Martin

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-07  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-26 23:30 Martin Sebor
2021-04-27  7:58 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-27 13:58   ` Martin Sebor
2021-04-27 14:04     ` Richard Biener
2021-04-27 15:52       ` Martin Sebor
2021-05-03 21:50         ` [PING][PATCH] " Martin Sebor
2021-05-11 20:02           ` [PING 2][PATCH] " Martin Sebor
2021-05-27 19:33             ` [PING 3][PATCH] " Martin Sebor
2021-05-27 20:53         ` [PATCH] " Jason Merrill
2021-06-01 19:56           ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-01 21:38             ` Jason Merrill
2021-06-25 20:51               ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-25 22:11                 ` Jason Merrill
2021-06-25 22:36                   ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-28  8:07                     ` Richard Biener
2021-06-28 18:07                       ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-29 10:58                         ` Richard Biener
2021-06-29 11:34                           ` Martin Jambor
2021-06-30  1:46                           ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-30  8:48                             ` Richard Biener
2021-06-30  9:29                               ` Martin Jambor
2021-07-06 15:06                             ` [PING][PATCH] " Martin Sebor
2021-07-07  7:28                               ` Richard Biener
2021-07-07 14:37                                 ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-12 11:02                                   ` Richard Biener
2021-07-13 14:08                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-07-13 18:37                                       ` Jason Merrill
2021-07-13 20:02                                         ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-14  3:39                                           ` Jason Merrill
2021-07-14 10:47                                             ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-07-14 14:46                                             ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-14 16:23                                               ` Jason Merrill
2021-07-20 18:34                                                 ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-20 20:08                                                   ` Jason Merrill
2021-07-20 21:52                                                     ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-27 18:56                                                   ` Martin Sebor
2021-07-30 15:06                                                     ` Jason Merrill
2021-08-06  2:07                                                       ` Martin Sebor
2021-08-06  7:52                                                         ` Christophe Lyon
2021-08-06 12:17                                                           ` Christophe Lyon
2021-07-14 14:44                                     ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-29 14:43                         ` [PATCH] " Jason Merrill
2021-06-29 17:18                           ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-30  8:40                             ` Richard Biener
2021-06-30  9:00                               ` Richard Sandiford
2021-06-30 12:01                                 ` Richard Biener
2021-06-28  8:05                 ` Richard Biener
2021-06-29 12:30                 ` Trevor Saunders
2021-06-02  6:55             ` Richard Biener
2021-06-02 16:04               ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-03  8:29                 ` Trevor Saunders
2021-06-07  8:51                   ` Richard Biener [this message]
2021-06-07 10:33                     ` Trevor Saunders
2021-06-07 13:33                       ` Richard Biener
2021-06-07 20:34                     ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-08  3:26                       ` Trevor Saunders
2021-06-08  7:19                         ` Richard Biener
2021-06-07 22:17                   ` Martin Sebor
2021-06-08  2:41                     ` Trevor Saunders

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