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From: Richard Guenther <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, 	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] Use MADV_DONTNEED for freeing in garbage collector
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFiYyc3SxbiU9mrgy9KrTA8YGcY9AqMR9GPi+2VEZzf-B+HF=g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111010104530.GX19412@tyan-ft48-01.lab.bos.redhat.com>

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:25:15PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
>> > From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
>> >
>> > Use the Linux MADV_DONTNEED call to unmap free pages in the garbage
>> > collector.Then keep the unmapped pages in the free list. This avoid
>> > excessive memory fragmentation on large LTO bulds, which can lead
>> > to gcc bumping into the Linux vm_max_map limit per process.
>> >
>> > Based on a idea from Jakub.
>>
>> Shouldn't we prefer still "mapped" pages when allocating?  Thus, keep
>> the freepages list "sorted"?
>
> I don't see why.  MADV_DONTNEED isn't perfect, what it does (on Linux)
> is that it zaps the whole page range, which essentially brings it into
> the exact same state as immediately after mmap.  Any touch of the
> pages will result in a zeroed page being inserted into the page tables.

Which means we save the zeroing when allocating non-MADV_DONTNEEDed
pages first.  And will be eventually able to unmap zapped pages.

> 4 years ago there was a MADV_FREE proposal which behaved much better
> (page was removed from page tables only when the kernel actually needed
> them for something else, if the page wasn't needed and has been accessed
> again by the application, it would still contain the old content (which
> the app couldn't rely on, it could as well be cleared), but it would be much
> cheaper in that case.  With MADV_FREE it would be actually preferrable
> to pick the MADV_FREEd pages over picking up freshly munmapped but not yet
> touched pages.
>
>> With the new params to call release_pages less, how does this
>> interact with using MADV_DONTNEED?  The only reason to delay
>> MADV_DONTNEED is to avoid splitting huge-pages?  Which would
>
> Not just that.  MADV_DONTNEED needs to flush the dirty pages from the page
> tables and when they are touched again, they need to be cleared (or
> pre-cleared pages inserted).  So, while MADV_DONTNEED is less expensive than
> munmap + mmap, it is still not free.

But it's free at madvise time.  munmap is "synchronous" at least (well,
when file-backed).

>> > 2011-10-08   Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
>
> Two space in between name and <.
>> >
>> >        PR other/50636
>> >        * config.in, configure: Regenerate.
>
> Please write each file on a separate line, and better below
> * configure.ac line because of which they have been regenerated.
>
>> >
>> > +  /* Unmapped page? */
>> > +  bool unmapped;
>> > +
>
> Not sure if unmapped is the best name of the flag here, because
> it hasn't been unmapped, it just has been madvised.  Under unmap
> most people would imagine munmap I'd say.
>
>        Jakub
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-10 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-09 19:56 Improve ggc-page fragmentation Andi Kleen
2011-10-09 19:56 ` [PATCH 2/5] Increase the GGC quite size to 2MB Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 10:21   ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-10 13:58   ` Jan Hubicka
2011-10-09 19:56 ` [PATCH 3/5] On a Linux kernel ask explicitely for a huge page in ggc Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 10:17   ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-10 10:34     ` Jakub Jelinek
2011-10-10 14:04       ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 13:54     ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-09 19:56 ` [PATCH 5/5] Add error checking to lto_section_read Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 10:25   ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-09 20:09 ` [PATCH 4/5] Add a freeing threshold for the garbage collector Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 10:29   ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-10 14:06     ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 14:59       ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-09 22:18 ` [PATCH 1/5] Use MADV_DONTNEED for freeing in " Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 10:33   ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-10 10:48     ` Jakub Jelinek
2011-10-10 11:21       ` Richard Guenther [this message]
2011-10-10 11:58         ` Jakub Jelinek
2011-10-10 14:23     ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-10 15:05       ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-10 18:09         ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-16  9:04   ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-16 11:29     ` Richard Guenther
2011-10-16 19:38       ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-17  8:41         ` Richard Guenther

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