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From: Richard Guenther <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
To: Richard Kenner <kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>
Cc: ebotcazou@adacore.com, gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, rguenther@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove bogus TYPE_IS_SIZETYPE special-casing in extract_muldiv_1
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:37:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFiYyc3c0fT2KvM2JjaJFuvZV3nzGnKQU7rFV6v9f9D2c8_ufQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11109031947.AA28670@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Richard Kenner
<kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> wrote:
> Let me jump in on this a little bit, since much of the code in this area
> was originally written by me.
>
>> Are all sizetype (sub-)expressions always of value in that range?
>> What do we do about the fact that sizetype is unsigned, so -x always
>> overflows for x != 0?  Thus, do we need to disable all a - b -> a +
>> -b kind of foldings for sizetypes? (we don't)
>
> The basic idea is that an overflow of sizetype is either:
>
> (1) Detected at a higher level (e.g., testing for maximum sizes of objects) or;
> (2) Is an undetected error and hence the result of such overflow is undefined.
>
> What this means from a practical point of view (but indeed a bit hard
> to define from a formal point of view) is that the normal addition and
> subtraction operations (on a 2's complement machines, which all are
> now) will "do the right thing" in all cases so we can perform all
> those sorts of folding operations.

So what's your opinion on the "bug" that triggered the patch in question?\
Namely extract_muldiv_1 folding

(((10240 - (sizetype) first) + 1) * 8) /[cl] 8

to

((sizetype) first * 0x0fffffffffffffff8 + 81928) /[cl] 8

to

((sizetype) first * 2305843009213693951 + 10241)

thus, folding A - B to -B + A, which is valid for unsigned types only
if overflow wraps.  But the 2nd folding is only valid if overflow is undefined.
Both foldings happen in extract_muldiv_1, the latter is especially
enabled for TYPE_IS_SIZETYPE.

The reasoning why both transforms are valid is bogus IMHO.
Can you give a formal definition of sizetype behavior that can be
used to prove that both transforms are valid?

Richard.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-03 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-31  9:14 Richard Guenther
2011-09-02  8:37 ` Eric Botcazou
2011-09-02  9:05   ` Richard Guenther
2011-09-02 13:26     ` Eric Botcazou
2011-09-02 13:33       ` Richard Guenther
2011-09-03  9:23         ` Eric Botcazou
2011-09-03 11:57           ` Richard Guenther
2011-09-03 15:08             ` Eric Botcazou
2011-09-03 19:09               ` Richard Guenther
2011-09-03 19:47                 ` Richard Kenner
2011-09-03 20:37                   ` Richard Guenther [this message]
2011-09-03 20:39                     ` Richard Guenther
2011-09-03 21:20                       ` Richard Kenner
2011-09-03 21:20                     ` Richard Kenner
2011-09-03 21:27                     ` Richard Kenner
2011-09-05  7:33           ` Richard Guenther

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