From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [IPv6:2604:1380:4641:c500::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 673A23858284 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 05:57:13 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 673A23858284 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxfoundation.org Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BECF861862; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 05:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E63CC433C1; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 05:57:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1661407032; bh=BzxcFbEfQ/Yeo0E0e2sHS9CwVB1n9JHMHeKD1IhcYQE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=WEt6QVjfJvyXaIx6HafON24CGsg9kBIx410clN6sJBNxvMYqYT3t69Qvv8fUydCii VOwmEd+zP/S8e5fTVek0cwEzoI7qPe3LRWV7/keV37Vli2wwYtB4pRJJqPwFYcThG8 Wop0557JL/SJdBKCbpMCKDMgvC3WMpgcPTgoiaFA= Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:57:23 +0200 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: Alexei Starovoitov , Alex Colomar , Alexei Starovoitov , linux-man , Daniel Borkmann , Zack Weinberg , LKML , glibc , GCC , bpf , LTP List , Linux API , linux-arch , David Laight , Joseph Myers , Florian Weimer , Cyril Hrubis , David Howells , Arnd Bergmann , Rich Felker , Adhemerval Zanella , Michael Kerrisk , Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] Many pages: Document fixed-width types with ISO C naming Message-ID: References: <20210423230609.13519-1-alx.manpages@gmail.com> <20220824185505.56382-1-alx.manpages@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 01:36:10AM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > But from your side what do we have? Just direct NAKs without much > explanation. The only one who gave some explanation was Greg, and he > vaguely pointed to Linus's comments about it in the past, with no precise > pointer to it. I investigated a lot before v2, and could not find anything > strong enough to recommend using kernel types in user space, so I pushed v2, > and the discussion was kept. So despite me saying that "this is not ok", and many other maintainers saying "this is not ok", you applied a patch with our objections on it? That is very odd and a bit rude. > I would like that if you still oppose to the patch, at least were able to > provide some facts to this discussion. The fact is that the kernel can not use the namespace that userspace has with ISO C names. It's that simple as the ISO standard does NOT describe the variable types for an ABI that can cross the user/kernel boundry. Work with the ISO C standard if you wish to document such type usage, and get it approved and then we would be willing to consider such a change. But until then, we have to stick to our variable name types, just like all other operating systems have to (we are not alone here.) Please revert your change. greg k-h