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From: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
To: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org,
	Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/8] Improve must tail in RTL backend
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 19:17:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zl36ww1xPsSsheqd@tucnak> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e0768313-3fd8-7cea-521c-1e98dc6979b6@suse.de>

On Mon, Jun 03, 2024 at 07:02:00PM +0200, Michael Matz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, 31 May 2024, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> > > I think the ultimate knowledge if a call can or cannot be implemented as 
> > > tail-call lies within calls.cc/expand_call: It is inherently 
> > > target and ABI specific how arguments and returns are layed out, how the 
> > > stack frame is generated, if arguments are or aren't removed by callers 
> > > or callees and so on; all of that being knowledge that tree-tailcall 
> > > doesn't have and doesn't want to have.  As such tree-tailcall should 
> > > not be regarded as ultimate truth, and failures of tree-tailcall to 
> > > recognize something as tail-callable shouldn't matter.
> > 
> > It's not the ultimate truth, but some of the checks it does are not 
> > duplicated at expand time nor the backend. So it's one necessary pre 
> > condition with the current code base.
> > 
> > Yes maybe the checks could be all moved, but that's a much larger 
> > project.
> 
> Hmm.  I count six tests in about 25 lines of code in 
> tree-tailcall.cc:suitable_for_tail_opt_p and suitable_for_tail_call_opt_p.
> 
> Are you perhaps worrying about the sibcall discovery itself (i.e. much of 
> find_tail_calls)?  Why would that be needed for musttail?  Is that 
> attribute sometimes applied to calls that aren't in fact sibcall-able?
> 
> One thing I'm worried about is the need for a new sibcall pass at O0 just 
> for sibcall discovery.  find_tail_calls isn't cheap, because it computes 
> live local variables for the whole function, potentially being quadratic.

But the pass could be done only if there is at least one musttail call
in a function (remembered in some cfun flag).  If people use that attribute,
guess they are willing to pay for it.

	Jakub


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-03 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-21 14:28 Musttail patchkit v6 Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] Improve must tail in RTL backend Andi Kleen
2024-05-29 13:39   ` Michael Matz
2024-05-31 18:00     ` Andi Kleen
2024-06-03 17:02       ` Michael Matz
2024-06-03 17:17         ` Jakub Jelinek [this message]
2024-06-04 13:49           ` Michael Matz
2024-06-03 17:31         ` Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] Add a musttail generic attribute to the c-attribs table Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] C++: Support clang compatible [[musttail]] (PR83324) Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] C: Implement musttail attribute for returns Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] Add tests for C/C++ musttail attributes Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] Enable musttail tail conversion even when not optimizing Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] Give better error messages for musttail Andi Kleen
2024-06-05  4:52   ` Andi Kleen
2024-05-21 14:28 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] Add documentation for musttail attribute Andi Kleen

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