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From: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
To: Bernd Schmidt <bschmidt@redhat.com>
Cc: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	GCC Patches	<gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Nick Clifton <nickc@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on memcmp expansion (PR43052)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:53:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605131338540.28166@digraph.polyomino.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5735D2F1.20501@redhat.com>

On Fri, 13 May 2016, Bernd Schmidt wrote:

> On 05/13/2016 03:07 PM, Richard Biener wrote:
> > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Bernd Schmidt <bschmidt@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > Huh? Can you elaborate?
> > 
> > When you have a builtin taking a size in bytes then a byte is 8 bits,
> > not BITS_PER_UNIT bits.
> 
> That makes no sense to me. I think the definition of a byte depends on the
> machine (hence the term "octet" was coined to be unambiguous). Also, such a
> definition would seem to imply that machines with 10-bit bytes cannot
> implement memcpy or memcmp.
> 
> Joseph, can you clarify the standard's meaning here?

* In C: a byte is the minimal addressable unit; an N-byte object is made 
up of N "unsigned char" objects, with successive addresses in terms of 
incrementing an "unsigned char *" pointer.  A byte is at least 8 bits.

* In GCC, at the level of GNU C APIs on the target, which generally 
includes built-in functions: a byte (on the target) is made of 
CHAR_TYPE_SIZE bits.  In theory this could be more than BITS_PER_UNIT, or 
that could be more than 8, though support for either of those cases would 
be very bit-rotten (and I'm not sure there ever have been targets with 
CHAR_TYPE_SIZE > BITS_PER_UNIT).  Sizes passed to memcpy and memcmp are 
sizes in units of CHAR_TYPE_SIZE bits.

* In GCC, at the RTL level: a byte (on the target) is a QImode object, 
which is made of BITS_PER_UNIT bits.  (HImode is always two bytes, SImode 
four, etc., if those modes exist.)  Support for BITS_PER_UNIT being more 
than 8 is very bit-rotten.

* In GCC, on the host: GCC only supports hosts (and $build) where bytes 
are 8-bit (though writing it as CHAR_BIT makes it clear that this 8 means 
the number of bits in a host byte).

Internal interfaces e.g. representing the contents of strings or other 
memory on the target may not currently be well-defined except when 
BITS_PER_UNIT is 8.  Cf. e.g. 
<https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2003-06/msg01159.html>.  But the above should 
at least give guidance as to whether BITS_PER_UNIT, CHAR_TYPE_SIZE (or 
TYPE_PRECISION (char_type_node), preferred where possible to minimize 
usage of target macros) or CHAR_BIT is logically right in a particular 
place.

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
joseph@codesourcery.com

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-13 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-15 16:58 Bernd Schmidt
2016-01-18  9:22 ` Richard Biener
2016-04-28 18:36   ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-02 12:52     ` Richard Biener
2016-05-02 12:57       ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-02 13:14         ` Richard Biener
2016-05-12 17:14           ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-13 10:20             ` Richard Biener
2016-05-13 13:05               ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-13 13:07                 ` Richard Biener
2016-05-13 13:13                   ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-13 13:53                     ` Joseph Myers [this message]
2016-05-13 14:00                       ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-05-13 20:41                         ` Joseph Myers
2016-05-31 23:50                           ` Bernd Schmidt
2016-01-18 12:22 ` Nick Clifton
2016-01-19 21:36 ` Jeff Law
2016-05-30 11:29 ` Florian Weimer
2016-05-31 15:05   ` Bernd Schmidt

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