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From: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
To: Martin Sebor <msebor@gmail.com>
Cc: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>, gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] final: Improve output for -dp and -fverbose-asm
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:14:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.21.1711301755560.25295@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dbbf5199-96cf-9d25-6711-eaedccf27c18@gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Martin Sebor wrote:

> >         addic 4,9,-1     # 70   [c=4 l=4]  *adddi3_imm_carry_m1
> >         subfe 4,4,9      # 71   [c=4 l=4]  *subfdi3_carry_in_internal
> >         b .L5            # 81   [c=4 l=4]  jump
> 
> Not everyone who reads the verbose assembly is familiar with
> GCC internals.  Users read it to help debug problems in their
> code.  They shouldn't have to also study GCC source code to
> understand what the contents mean.

Um, I think that's a bit overactive.  How would you know what 
adddi3_imm_carry_m1 really means without knowing the particular GCC 
backend?  Or what the above magic number after # means?

Or, for that matter, what "length" means?  Could be byte-length, sure.  
But OTOH, for a RISC target it's always four, so why print it?  The GCC 
developers surely meant cycle-length with that, nothing else makes sense.

My point is, to interpret the asm dumps there's no way around having some 
knowledge and getting used to it.  In addition I doubt they're used 
heavily to debug programs.  Rather they're used to study the interaction 
between compiler and program (and potentially to find miscompilations or 
strangenesses the compiler emits).  As such even -fverbose-asm is a 
low-level compiler debugging tool, not something for an end-user that 
needs stability or documentation.


Ciao,
Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-30 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-29 23:37 Segher Boessenkool
2017-11-30  7:52 ` Martin Sebor
2017-11-30 11:54   ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-11-30 16:06     ` Michael Matz
2017-11-30 16:36     ` Martin Sebor
2017-11-30 16:50       ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-11-30 17:02         ` Martin Sebor
2017-11-30 17:14           ` Michael Matz [this message]
2017-11-30 17:55             ` David Malcolm
2017-12-04 15:49               ` Michael Matz
2017-11-30 17:55             ` Martin Sebor
2017-12-01  0:32               ` Jeff Law
2017-12-01 22:52               ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-12-04 12:39               ` Michael Matz
2017-11-30 17:15           ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-11-30 22:59             ` Martin Sebor
2017-12-01  0:26               ` Jeff Law
2017-12-01  0:49       ` Jeff Law
2017-12-01 23:45         ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-11-30 16:44 ` Kyrill Tkachov
2017-11-30 16:54   ` Michael Matz
2017-11-30 16:55     ` Kyrill Tkachov
2017-11-30 17:07       ` Michael Matz
2017-12-01  0:22         ` Jeff Law
2017-12-01  0:25       ` Jeff Law
2017-12-01  1:17 ` Jeff Law

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