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From: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	       Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Cc: gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFA] Handle target with no length attributes sanely in bb-reorder.c
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1f602cb-fe99-29e6-ca11-eebd3f6499f2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161201120402.GD14873@gate.crashing.org>

On 12/01/2016 05:04 AM, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 10:19:42AM +0100, Richard Biener wrote:
>>>> Thinking about this again maybe targets w/o insn-length should simply
>>>> always use the 'simple' algorithm instead of the STV one?  At least that
>>>> might be what your change effectively does in some way?
>>>
>>> From reading the comments I don't think STC will collapse down into the
>>> simple algorithm if block copying is disabled.  But Segher would know for
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> WRT the choice of simple vs STC, I doubt it matters much for the processors
>>> in question.
>>
>> I guess STC doesn't make much sense if we can't say anything about BB sizes.
>
> STC tries to make as large as possible consecutive "traces", mainly to
> help with instruction cache utilization and hit rate etc.  It cannot do
> a very good job if it isn't allowed to copy blocks.
>
> "simple" tries to (dynamically) have as many fall-throughs as possible,
> i.e. as few jumps as possible.  It never copies code; if that means it
> has to jump every second insn, so be it.  It provably is within a factor
> three of optimal (optimal is NP-hard), under a really weak assumption
> within a factor two, and it does better than that in practice.
>
> STC without block copying makes longer traces which is not a good idea
> for most architectures, only for those that have a short jump that is
> much shorter than longer jumps (and thus, cannot cover many jump
> targets).
>
> I do not know how STC behaves when it does not know the insn lengths.
mn103 &  m68k are definitely sensitive to jump distances, the former 
more so than the latter.  Some of the others probably are as well.

I think we've probably discussed this more than is really necessary.  We 
just need to pick an alternative and go with it, I think either 
alternative is reasonable (avoid copying when STC has no length 
information or fall back to simple when there is no length information).



jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-01 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-28 21:23 Jeff Law
2016-11-29 10:23 ` Richard Biener
2016-11-29 16:07   ` Jeff Law
2016-11-30  8:38     ` Richard Biener
2016-11-30 23:29       ` Jeff Law
2016-12-01  9:19         ` Richard Biener
2016-12-01 12:04           ` Segher Boessenkool
2016-12-01 17:28             ` Jeff Law [this message]
2016-12-02  8:47               ` Richard Biener
2016-12-02 22:22                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2016-12-03  2:20                   ` Jeff Law

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