From: Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>
Cc: gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFA] Handle target with no length attributes sanely in bb-reorder.c
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:28:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1f602cb-fe99-29e6-ca11-eebd3f6499f2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161201120402.GD14873@gate.crashing.org>
On 12/01/2016 05:04 AM, Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 10:19:42AM +0100, Richard Biener wrote:
>>>> Thinking about this again maybe targets w/o insn-length should simply
>>>> always use the 'simple' algorithm instead of the STV one? At least that
>>>> might be what your change effectively does in some way?
>>>
>>> From reading the comments I don't think STC will collapse down into the
>>> simple algorithm if block copying is disabled. But Segher would know for
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> WRT the choice of simple vs STC, I doubt it matters much for the processors
>>> in question.
>>
>> I guess STC doesn't make much sense if we can't say anything about BB sizes.
>
> STC tries to make as large as possible consecutive "traces", mainly to
> help with instruction cache utilization and hit rate etc. It cannot do
> a very good job if it isn't allowed to copy blocks.
>
> "simple" tries to (dynamically) have as many fall-throughs as possible,
> i.e. as few jumps as possible. It never copies code; if that means it
> has to jump every second insn, so be it. It provably is within a factor
> three of optimal (optimal is NP-hard), under a really weak assumption
> within a factor two, and it does better than that in practice.
>
> STC without block copying makes longer traces which is not a good idea
> for most architectures, only for those that have a short jump that is
> much shorter than longer jumps (and thus, cannot cover many jump
> targets).
>
> I do not know how STC behaves when it does not know the insn lengths.
mn103 & m68k are definitely sensitive to jump distances, the former
more so than the latter. Some of the others probably are as well.
I think we've probably discussed this more than is really necessary. We
just need to pick an alternative and go with it, I think either
alternative is reasonable (avoid copying when STC has no length
information or fall back to simple when there is no length information).
jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-12-01 17:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-28 21:23 Jeff Law
2016-11-29 10:23 ` Richard Biener
2016-11-29 16:07 ` Jeff Law
2016-11-30 8:38 ` Richard Biener
2016-11-30 23:29 ` Jeff Law
2016-12-01 9:19 ` Richard Biener
2016-12-01 12:04 ` Segher Boessenkool
2016-12-01 17:28 ` Jeff Law [this message]
2016-12-02 8:47 ` Richard Biener
2016-12-02 22:22 ` Segher Boessenkool
2016-12-03 2:20 ` Jeff Law
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