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From: Richard Sandiford <richard.sandiford@arm.com>
To: Robin Dapp via Gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>
Cc: Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com>,  Robin Dapp <rdapp.gcc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fwprop: Allow UNARY_P and check register pressure.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 17:24:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mptjzscyka8.fsf@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3f2b6571-4c47-3ea5-2932-4060e45a94ea@gmail.com> (Robin Dapp via Gcc-patches's message of "Thu, 7 Sep 2023 16:25:45 +0200")

Robin Dapp via Gcc-patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org> writes:
> Thanks for looking at it in detail.
>
>> Yeah, I think this is potentially a blocker for propagating A into B
>> when A is used elsewhere.  Combine is able to combine A and B while
>> keeping A in parallel with the result.  I think either fwprop would
>> need to try that too, or it would need to be restricted to cases where A
>> is only used in B.
>
> That seems a rather severe limitation and my original use case would
> not get optimized considerably anymore.  The intention was to replace
> all uses (if register pressure allows).  Of course the example is simple
> enough that a propagation is always useful if the costs allow it, so
> it might not be representative.
>
> I'm wondering if we could (my original misunderstanding) tentatively
> try to propagate into all uses of a definition and, when reaching
> a certain ratio, decide that it might be worth it, otherwise revert.
> Would be very crude though, and not driven by the actual problem we're
> trying to avoid. 
>
>> I think the summary is:
>> 
>> IMO, we have to be mindful that combine is still to run.  We need to
>> avoid making equal-cost changes if the new form is more complex, or
>> otherwise likely to interfere with combine.
>
> I guess we don't have a good measure for complexity or "combinability"
> and even lower-cost changes could result in worse options later.
> Would it make sense to have a strict less-than cost policy for those
> more complex propagations?  Or do you consider the approach in its
> current shape "hopeless", given the complications we discussed?
>
>> Alternatively, we could delay the optimisation until after combine
>> and have freer rein, since we're then just mopping up opportunities
>> that other passes left behind.
>> 
>> A while back I was experimenting with a second combine pass.  That was
>> the original motiviation for rtl-ssa.  I never got chance to finish it
>> off though.
>
> This doesn't sound like something that would still materialize before
> the end of stage 1 :)
> Do you see any way of restricting the current approach to make it less
> intrusive and still worthwhile?  Limiting to vec_duplicate might be
> much too arbitrary but would still help for my original example.

FWIW, I sent an RFC for a late-combine pass that might help:

  https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2023-September/631406.html

I think it'll need some tweaking for your use case, but hopefully
it's "just" a case of expanding the register pressure tests.

Thanks,
Richard


      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-26 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-07 10:26 Robin Dapp
2023-08-24 14:06 ` Robin Dapp
2023-08-28 23:33   ` Jeff Law
2023-08-29 11:40     ` Richard Sandiford
2023-09-05  6:53       ` Robin Dapp
2023-09-05  8:38         ` Richard Sandiford
2023-09-05  8:45           ` Robin Dapp
2023-09-06 11:22           ` Robin Dapp
2023-09-06 20:44             ` Richard Sandiford
2023-09-07  7:56               ` Robin Dapp
2023-09-07 13:42             ` Richard Sandiford
2023-09-07 14:25               ` Robin Dapp
2023-09-26 16:24                 ` Richard Sandiford [this message]

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