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From: Richard Sandiford <richard.sandiford@arm.com>
To: Tamar Christina <Tamar.Christina@arm.com>
Cc: Andrew Pinski <pinskia@gmail.com>,
	 "gcc-patches\@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	 nd <nd@arm.com>,  Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>,
	 Marcus Shawcroft <Marcus.Shawcroft@arm.com>,
	 Kyrylo Tkachov <Kyrylo.Tkachov@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH]AArch64: update vget_set_lane_1.c test output
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:42:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mptle843zme.fsf@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR08MB532582DD28708CC35AE5F53BFF432@VI1PR08MB5325.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> (Tamar Christina's message of "Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:31:33 +0000")

Tamar Christina <Tamar.Christina@arm.com> writes:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Sandiford <richard.sandiford@arm.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 2:24 PM
>> To: Andrew Pinski <pinskia@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Tamar Christina <Tamar.Christina@arm.com>; gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org; nd
>> <nd@arm.com>; Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>; Marcus
>> Shawcroft <Marcus.Shawcroft@arm.com>; Kyrylo Tkachov
>> <Kyrylo.Tkachov@arm.com>
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH]AArch64: update vget_set_lane_1.c test output
>> 
>> Andrew Pinski <pinskia@gmail.com> writes:
>> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:26 AM Tamar Christina <tamar.christina@arm.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> In the vget_set_lane_1.c test the following entries now generate a zip1 instead
>> of an INS
>> >>
>> >> BUILD_TEST (float32x2_t, float32x2_t, , , f32, 1, 0)
>> >> BUILD_TEST (int32x2_t,   int32x2_t,   , , s32, 1, 0)
>> >> BUILD_TEST (uint32x2_t,  uint32x2_t,  , , u32, 1, 0)
>> >>
>> >> This is because the non-Q variant for indices 0 and 1 are just shuffling values.
>> >> There is no perf difference between INS SIMD to SIMD and ZIP, as such just
>> update the
>> >> test file.
>> > Hmm, is this true on all cores? I suspect there is a core out there
>> > where INS is implemented with a much lower latency than ZIP.
>> > If we look at config/aarch64/thunderx.md, we can see INS is 2 cycles
>> > while ZIP is 6 cycles (3/7 for q versions).
>> > Now I don't have any invested interest in that core any more but I
>> > just wanted to point out that is not exactly true for all cores.
>> 
>> Thanks for the pointer.  In that case, perhaps we should prefer
>> aarch64_evpc_ins over aarch64_evpc_zip in aarch64_expand_vec_perm_const_1?
>> That's enough to fix this failure, but it'll probably require other
>> tests to be adjusted...
>
> I think given that Thundex-X is a 10 year old micro-architecture that is several cases where
> often used instructions have very high latencies that generic codegen should not be blocked
> from progressing because of it.
>
> we use zips in many things and if thunderx codegen is really of that much importance then I
> think the old codegen should be gated behind -mcpu=thunderx rather than preventing generic
> changes.

But you said there was no perf difference between INS and ZIP, so it
sounds like for all known cases, using INS rather than ZIP is either
neutral or better.

There's also the possible secondary benefit that the INS patterns use
standard RTL operations whereas the ZIP patterns use unspecs.

Keeping ZIP seems OK there's a specific reason to prefer it over INS for
more modern cores though.

Thanks,
Richard


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-01 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-01  9:24 Tamar Christina
2024-02-01  9:48 ` Andrew Pinski
2024-02-01 14:23   ` Richard Sandiford
2024-02-01 14:31     ` Tamar Christina
2024-02-01 16:42       ` Richard Sandiford [this message]
2024-02-02  1:16         ` Andrew Pinski
2024-02-15  8:30         ` Tamar Christina
2024-02-20 10:30           ` Richard Sandiford

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