From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32353 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 2001 19:48:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 32021 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 19:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 19:48:25 -0000 Received: from fep01-0.kolumbus.fi ([193.229.0.41] helo=fep01-app.kolumbus.fi) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 16C4VM-0006r4-00 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:48:24 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer ([212.54.30.218]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi (InterMail vM.5.01.03.08 201-253-122-118-108-20010628) with SMTP id <20011206194822.DCRK16206.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c17e8f$f06d42c0$da1e36d4@elisa.omakaista.fi> From: "Jade" To: Subject: installation Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:00:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-SW-Source: 2001-12/txt/msg00298.txt.bz2 Hi, I would like to use GCC for compiling my C++ programs, but basically, you guys really aren't making it easy to install the thing. I've come to the conclusion that there are only 2 difficult things in C++ (which I already know, after using it at school for a year); these things are: 1.) installing the compiler and figuring out how it works 2.) finding documentation that a human being can read Why couldn't people simply do what Sun has done with Java: just a single, no-extra-crap-distribution and simple instructions on how to get started, plus easy-to-read API documentation on the most important classes. Java would never have gained as much popularity as it has if only somebody had figured this out, and done something about it. It's by far the most vital problem to solve for the C++ community. New users turn to Java simply because it doesn't take a year to figure out how to get started with it. So, please answer just one question: "Where can I find a normal command-line version of GCC which can be hooked up with the Win API / MFC easily?" That is, no UNIX emulator crap, just standard MS-DOS. As far as I know, DJGPP can't be used with the Win API very easily, and its documentation sucks bad, not to mention that the error messages are mostly useless and it seems kinda unstable anyway. Sorry about the tone, but this thing has been bothering me for a long time. Why isn't something being done? It's been 3 decades. - Janne Kuusela