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From: Michael S. Zick <mszick@goquest.com>
To: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
Cc: <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: GCC 3.3, GCC 3.4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:25:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <03013015370201.00984@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0301302220350.17724-100000@wotan.suse.de>

On Thursday 30 January 2003 03:29 pm, Michael Matz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Michael S.Zick wrote:
> > > where the real problems lie), the new GC default is going to reduce or
> > > eliminate the impact of that improvement, an impact that would have
> > > been noticeable had the GC defaults not been changed, and the
> > > improvement is less likely to happen.
> >
> > So, lets make part of the testing protocal: "disable GC"
>
> What can be disabled easily is collecting and reclaiming GC memory.  What
> can _not_ be done easily is to go back to a memory management like in
> 2.95.x or earlier.  But that would be needed to really calculate the cost
> of GC, because collecting is only a part of the overhead.  
>
Understood.
I wasn't clear what part of the statement my suggestion applied too.

The statement was that improvements in parts of the compiler
other than GC could (would) be hidden in the "noise" of changing
GC defaults.

I was suggesting that the "other parts" be compared by tests
run such that "GC noise" is worked around.
I seem to recall mention on this list of an option that can be passed
specifying, in effect: GC=never.

That is what I was suggesting - not a way to cost or measure
GC - a way to cost or measure everything else.

Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-30 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-30 20:00 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-30 21:29 ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 21:42   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 13:31     ` Nathan Sidwell
2003-01-30 22:15 ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-30 22:56 ` Neil Booth
2003-01-30 22:58   ` Michael S. Zick
2003-01-30 23:22     ` Michael Matz
2003-01-30 23:25       ` Michael S. Zick [this message]
2003-01-31 11:16       ` Bernd Jendrissek
2003-01-30 23:55   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  0:11     ` Paolo Carlini
2003-01-31  0:15     ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  0:29       ` Phil Edwards
2003-01-31  0:30         ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  2:08           ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 16:01             ` Michael S. Zick
2003-01-31  0:41       ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  0:17     ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  0:21       ` Neil Booth
2003-01-31  0:25         ` Matt Austern
2003-01-31  1:10           ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  1:22             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:55         ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  1:54       ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31  2:40       ` Geoff Keating
2003-01-31 12:54         ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-01-31 20:22           ` Geoff Keating
     [not found] <1044318563.708.247.camel@steven>
2003-02-04  1:13 ` Scott Robert Ladd
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-04  0:31 Steven Bosscher
     [not found] <200301312121.QAA22864@makai.watson.ibm.com>
2003-02-03 20:44 ` Tom Tromey
2003-02-03 21:02   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-02-03 21:10     ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 21:31       ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:53         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 22:16           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 22:30             ` Jack Lloyd
2003-02-04  1:21               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 22:03         ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-03 21:45       ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-02-03 21:56         ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 22:34       ` Tom Tromey
2003-02-03 23:03         ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:17     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-02-03 21:29       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-03 21:41         ` David Edelsohn
2003-02-03 21:42         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
     [not found] <1043976898.27601.ezmlm@gcc.gnu.org>
2003-02-03 19:50 ` Tim Josling
2003-02-03 21:54   ` Devang Patel
2003-02-03 22:32     ` Geoff Keating
2003-02-04 20:17     ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04 20:47       ` Matt Austern
2003-02-06 19:26         ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04  0:05   ` Tim Hollebeek
2003-02-04 20:07     ` Tim Josling
2003-02-04  2:03   ` Richard Henderson
2003-02-04  2:26     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-02-04  4:14     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-02  6:17 Brad Lucier
     [not found] <20030131165429.32d4d907.bkoz@redhat.com>
2003-02-01  1:32 ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-01  1:43   ` Jan Hubicka
     [not found] <200301312258.OAA14911@emf.net>
2003-02-01  0:00 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 16:29 Richard Kenner
2003-01-31  5:15 Wolfgang Bangerth
2003-01-31 10:39 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 17:54   ` Wolfgang Bangerth
2003-01-31  0:37 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  0:52 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31  1:16   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:34     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31 17:53       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31  1:14 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-01-31  1:25   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31  1:27 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2003-01-31  1:52   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2003-01-31 20:59   ` Joe Buck
2003-01-31 22:44     ` Tom Tromey
2003-01-31  6:09 ` Joe Buck
2003-01-31  7:39   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-01-31 20:43   ` Geoff Keating
     [not found]   ` <200301312127.QAA22861@caip.rutgers.edu>
     [not found]     ` <jmy9516lsd.fsf@desire.geoffk.org>
2003-02-01  4:32       ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2003-01-31 11:52 ` Tom Lord
2003-01-31 20:52   ` Joe Buck
     [not found]     ` <200301312311.PAA15835@emf.net>
2003-02-01  1:28       ` Joe Buck
2003-02-01  1:49         ` Michel LESPINASSE
2003-01-31 21:07   ` Mike Stump
2003-01-31 13:50 ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-31 18:02   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31 19:05     ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 20:05       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-31 20:37         ` Graham Stott
2003-01-31 20:57         ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 21:35           ` Tom Tromey
2003-01-31 21:02       ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-01-31 21:13         ` Joel Sherrill
2003-01-31 21:21         ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 22:59           ` Joel Sherrill
2003-01-31 23:42             ` Devang Patel
2003-01-31 19:44     ` Matt Austern
2003-01-31 20:23       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-02-01  0:21         ` Michael Matz
2003-02-01  3:18           ` David Edelsohn
2003-01-31 20:31     ` Richard Henderson
2003-01-31 22:59     ` Andreas Jaeger
2003-01-31 23:12   ` Phil Edwards
2003-01-30 23:53 Karel Gardas
2003-01-31  0:13 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 11:22 Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 19:07 ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 19:58   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 20:15     ` Mike Stump
2003-01-30 20:59       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 19:20 ` Matt Austern
2003-01-30 19:52   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-01-30 20:11     ` David Edelsohn

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