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From: kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner)
To: jamie@shareable.org
Cc: gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: DATA_ALIGNMENT vs. DECL_USER_ALIGNMENT
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:45:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10304212014.AA01453@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> (raw)

I really think you are making this unnecessarily complex here because
I can't follow most of what you are writing.

    > Now consider a function that takes an object of type T that is *not* part
    > of the current compilation.  When generating code to dereference P, it is
    > not allowed to assume that the alignment of the object pointed to by P
    > is *more* than four bytes.

    This I understood already.  I think everyone sees this.

Actually not, because that's the key point in below:

    <lightbulb>
      Oh, I see why you mustn't increase alignment on types!  Thanks!
    </lightbulb>

If the above were obvious, so would this have been.

    > So doing so would be conforming to the standard.

    Somebody brought up an example where that might not be reasonable:
    multiple object in a special linker section, and the programmer
    expects them to be laid out as if in an array.  

Yes, but it's important to distinguish between what's "conforming" and
what's "reasonable".  As Robert Dewar points out, it's comforming to
implement multiplication as a loop over addition, but not reasonable.
But you can't try to determine what's "reasonable" by consulting a
standards document.

    Ok, now I agree it is practical to want to reduce an object's
    alignment for storage purposes.  (But isn't that why we have
    __attribute__((packed))?)

Yes.

    The essential quirk is this: whenever you take the address of an
    object, if you have specified the object's alignment and it is less
    than that of the original type, 

That should be an error.

             reply	other threads:[~2003-04-21 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-21 20:45 Richard Kenner [this message]
2003-04-21 20:58 ` Jamie Lokier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-23  3:29 Robert Dewar
2003-04-23  2:20 Richard Kenner
2003-04-23  5:31 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-24  6:23   ` Jason Merrill
2003-04-24  8:43     ` Geert Bosch
2003-04-24 17:48       ` Jason Merrill
2003-04-24 18:04         ` Zack Weinberg
2003-04-24 19:31           ` Jason Merrill
2003-04-24 21:32         ` Geert Bosch
2003-04-24 23:24           ` Jason Merrill
2003-04-25  2:56     ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-22 15:08 Richard Kenner
2003-04-23  1:07 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-22  0:15 Robert Dewar
2003-04-22  1:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-22  0:11 Robert Dewar
2003-04-22  1:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-21 21:25 Richard Kenner
2003-04-21 20:59 Richard Kenner
2003-04-21 21:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-21 18:14 Richard Kenner
2003-04-21 20:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-21 17:25 Richard Kenner
2003-04-21 18:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-22  9:00 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-20 21:28 Robert Dewar
2003-04-21 17:05 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-20 21:19 Robert Dewar
2003-04-18 11:41 Richard Kenner
2003-04-18  8:06 Richard Kenner
2003-04-18  8:59 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-17 21:41 Richard Kenner
2003-04-17 23:20 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-18  1:16 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-17 21:40 Richard Kenner
2003-04-17 11:56 Richard Kenner
2003-04-17 20:35 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-17 22:41   ` Geert Bosch
2003-04-17 23:19     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-17 10:44 Robert Dewar
2003-04-17 20:30 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-17  8:12 Richard Kenner
2003-04-17  8:38 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-11 22:26 Robert Dewar
2003-04-11 16:59 Robert Dewar
2003-04-11 18:49 ` Laurent Guerby
2003-04-11 16:51 Robert Dewar
2003-04-11 14:52 Robert Dewar
2003-04-11  4:45 Richard Kenner
2003-04-17  5:39 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-04-11  0:45 Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 22:43 Richard Kenner
2003-04-11  0:31 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-11  2:19   ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 22:23 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 22:16 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 22:07 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 22:23 ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 22:05 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 22:02 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 22:24 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-11 11:20   ` Laurent Guerby
2003-04-11 11:57     ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-04-11 14:16       ` Laurent Guerby
2003-04-10 21:56 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 22:02 ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 21:45 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:52 ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 21:57 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-10 21:44 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:32 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 21:32 ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 21:31 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:29 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 21:10 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:10 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 21:17 ` David Edelsohn
2003-04-10 21:04 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:41 ` Geoff Keating
2003-04-10 20:57 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 21:07 ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 20:52 Robert Dewar
2003-04-10 20:39 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 21:00 ` Geoff Keating
2003-04-10 21:01 ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 21:44 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-10 20:13 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10 20:28 ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 19:20 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10  5:33 Richard Kenner
2003-04-10  7:20 ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-09 23:31 Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10  2:27 ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-10  3:10   ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 16:20     ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 16:39       ` Geoff Keating
2003-04-10 16:44         ` Ulrich Weigand
2003-04-10 18:06       ` Richard Henderson
2003-04-08 17:47 Ulrich Weigand

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