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From: kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner)
To: stevenb.gcc@gmail.com
Cc: Joe.Buck@synopsys.com, ams@gnu.org, bkoz@redhat.com,
	dewar@adacore.com,        dnovillo@google.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
	iant@google.com,        mark@codesourcery.com,
	richard.guenther@gmail.com
Subject: Re: GFDL/GPL issues
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:34:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11008022335.AA09107@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=HYhOty0X9E6h7rDhfubFWKOjVstedUAFOCW9O@mail.gmail.com>

> That is true, but very often the documentation is needed in two
> places: in the code and in the manual. Especially for things like
> machine constraints, flags and options. 

Yes, but the audiences are different between users who read the manual and
developers who read the code.  For the best quality, the two descriptions
may well be quite different, in emphasis, tone and other areas.  If the
emphasis is on finding text that's acceptable for BOTH purposes, you create
documentation that's not ideal for EITHER.

> And even if the documentation isn't needed in two places to, well,
> document something, it may still be useful to automatically generate
> parts of manual to avoid divergence between the manual and the compiler.

That's indeed a worthwhile goal, but doing it at the expense of the quality
of the documentation is a very bad idea, in my opinion.

The quality of documentation in the industry, and even in the Free Software
community is pretty poor.  GCC is known for a very high standard of
documentation.  Let's not lower it by substiting automated tools for
quality handwritten documentation.

I believe that tools have their purpose for such things as functions
lists and detailed ABI documentation, but not in things like user
manuals.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-02 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-26  4:19 Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26  7:25 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-05-26 15:42   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-05-26 16:03     ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 18:10       ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-05-26 18:27         ` Richard Kenner
2010-05-26 18:42         ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 21:06           ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-05-26 21:07             ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 21:42               ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-26 21:26             ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-26 21:28               ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 22:54                 ` Steven Bosscher
2010-05-26 23:12                   ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 21:37             ` Joseph S. Myers
2010-05-27  5:10           ` Russ Allbery
2010-05-26 19:16         ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-26 16:08     ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-26 18:09     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-05-26 18:12       ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-26 23:12       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-05-26  8:04 ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-27  7:25   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-27  8:04     ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-27  8:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-26 21:15 ` Matthias Klose
2010-05-26 21:42   ` Joseph S. Myers
2010-05-26 21:51   ` Mark Mitchell
2010-05-27  0:01 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2010-05-27  5:39 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2010-05-27 11:46   ` Joseph S. Myers
2010-05-27 17:20   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-05-27 22:51     ` Russ Allbery
2010-05-28  0:32       ` Joern Rennecke
2010-05-28  2:51         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-07-15  0:23 ` Benjamin Kosnik
2010-07-22 23:22   ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-22 23:28     ` Steven Bosscher
2010-07-22 23:36       ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-23  0:27         ` Joe Buck
2010-07-23  2:18           ` Joern Rennecke
2010-07-23  3:11           ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-23  8:23         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-07-23 15:59           ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-23 16:34             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-07-23 16:42               ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-27  0:50           ` Benjamin Kosnik
2010-07-27  1:26             ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-27  1:37               ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-27 15:54                 ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-27 17:41                   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2010-07-27 17:45                     ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-27 21:20                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
2010-07-27 18:08                   ` Joe Buck
2010-07-27 18:09                     ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-27 20:25                       ` Richard Guenther
2010-07-27 21:39                         ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-28 21:00                         ` Steven Bosscher
2010-07-28 21:17                           ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-28 22:08                             ` Steven Bosscher
2010-07-28 22:30                               ` Richard Guenther
2010-07-29  7:41                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-29  8:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2010-07-29  8:55                                   ` Miles Bader
2010-07-29  9:23                                   ` Toon Moene
2010-07-29 12:47                                   ` Richard Kenner
2010-07-29 14:11                                     ` Joern Rennecke
2010-07-29 14:25                                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-07-29 14:33                                         ` Jeff Law
2010-07-29 14:40                                           ` Richard Kenner
2010-07-30 11:02                                           ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-30 11:01                                         ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-30 18:08                                         ` Toon Moene
2010-07-29 14:53                                     ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-30 11:03                                       ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-30 14:29                                         ` Mark Mitchell
2010-07-30 15:54                                           ` Joern Rennecke
2010-07-31  0:10                                             ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-31  3:11                                               ` Joern Rennecke
2010-07-31 12:24                                                 ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-31  0:08                                           ` Robert Dewar
2010-07-31  0:16                                             ` Mark Mitchell
2010-08-02 23:13                                               ` Diego Novillo
2010-08-02 23:16                                                 ` Richard Kenner
2010-08-02 23:21                                                   ` Diego Novillo
2010-08-02 23:23                                                   ` Steven Bosscher
2010-08-02 23:34                                                     ` Richard Kenner [this message]
2010-08-02 23:45                                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2010-08-03  0:57                                                         ` Richard Kenner
2010-08-03  2:08                                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2010-08-03 18:46                                                           ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-15 19:16                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-15 16:17                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-15 16:11                                                                 ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-15 16:19                                                                   ` Richard Kenner
2010-08-15 19:47                                                                   ` Joel Sherrill
2010-08-15 20:21                                                                     ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-16 12:10                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2010-08-17  3:19                                                                     ` Joern Rennecke
2010-08-17  3:56                                                                       ` Richard Kenner
2010-08-17 10:41                                                                         ` Joern Rennecke
2010-08-03  9:05                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-03  0:51                                                   ` Paul Koning
2010-08-03 16:20                                                     ` Joe Buck
2010-08-03 18:49                                                       ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-03 21:45                                                         ` Steven Bosscher
2010-08-15 16:17                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-15 17:24                                                           ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-15 16:12                                                             ` Richard Kenner
2010-08-15 16:17                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2010-08-15 16:16                                                               ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-16 20:53                                                             ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-08-03 19:58                                                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2010-08-04  7:23                                                         ` Benjamin Kosnik
2010-08-04 13:10                                                           ` Diego Novillo
2010-08-04  7:21                                                       ` Benjamin Kosnik
2010-08-04 16:46                                                         ` Joe Buck
2010-08-04 17:35                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-08-04 18:37                                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 18:45                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 18:56                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-08-04 18:59                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 19:02                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 20:03                                                                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2010-08-04 20:25                                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-08-04 20:52                                                                     ` Diego Novillo
2010-08-04 21:12                                                                     ` Richard Guenther
2010-08-04 22:29                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 23:08                                                                         ` Joe Buck
2010-08-05  3:54                                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-05  3:09                                                                     ` Jonathan Wakely
2010-08-04 18:48                                                             ` Joe Buck
2010-08-04 20:42                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-08-03 18:36                                                 ` Robert Dewar
2010-08-04  0:08                                                   ` Miles Bader
2010-07-27  3:31               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-29 20:20 Brian Makin
2010-07-29 21:06 ` Joe Buck
2010-08-04 20:03 Brian Makin

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