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From: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
To: Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.COM>, Daniel Berlin <dan@dberlin.org>
Cc: Neil Booth <neil@daikokuya.demon.co.uk>,
	Paolo Carlini <pcarlini@unitus.it>,
	"gcc@gcc.gnu.org" <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: g++ and aliasing bools
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:59:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11140000.1012259923@gandalf.codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200201281722.JAA08937@atrus.synopsys.com>


[ zero-sized based class example elided ]

>
> But the C aliasing rules completely ignore the question of size, so you're
> bringing up a red herring.  The rules have *nothing* to do with whether we
> think that two objects have the same address!  It doesn't even come up.
> For that reason, you don't have to waste any time thinking about class
> layout.
>

Joe's argument is a reduction from C++ to C; the claim is that (basically)
the C++ alias rules are the same as C and that certain C++ classes are
laid out like certain C structs and that there are no additional
"dangerous" operations and therefore correctness for C implies correctness
for C++.

The argument doesn't work in this case -- the proposed isomorphism from
C++ classes to C structs is not correct.

Joe's argument either needs to handle zero-sized classes in some other
way (arguing that they're not dangerous for some other reason), or it
needs to not apply to class hierarchives that involve zero-sized bases,
treating such things as not simple_enough.

--
Mark Mitchell                   mark@codesourcery.com
CodeSourcery, LLC               http://www.codesourcery.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-28 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-25  8:55 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  9:21 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 10:00   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 10:54     ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25 11:37       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 11:45       ` David Edelsohn
2002-01-25 11:53         ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 12:09           ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25 12:28             ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25 13:49               ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25 14:19                 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 14:21                   ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25 15:41                     ` Neil Booth
2002-01-25 16:04                       ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 17:37                         ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25 18:10                         ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-27  5:11                         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-27  5:34                           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-28 10:39                             ` Joe Buck
2002-01-28 10:51                               ` Joe Buck
2002-01-28 15:59                               ` Mark Mitchell [this message]
2002-01-28 17:11                                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-28 17:28                                   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-28 18:14                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-28 17:18                                 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-28 18:05                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-28 18:50                                     ` Joe Buck
2002-01-28 19:33                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-28 17:40                                         ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-28 21:55                                           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-28 22:02                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-28 22:12                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25 13:07             ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 15:43               ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 16:03                 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 15:13             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 12:10           ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25 13:16             ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 15:23             ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 12:05         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25 22:14           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-26  3:46             ` Mark Mitchell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-25 14:49 mike stump
2002-01-25 12:23 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25 13:29 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 12:06 mike stump
2002-01-25  9:13 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:35 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:54 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  8:33 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  8:32 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:53 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  9:39 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25  8:28 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:49 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  7:51 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  8:20   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  7:38 Robert Dewar
2002-01-25  8:11 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 14:09   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-25  7:30 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  7:33 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 15:43   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  7:30 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  7:23 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  7:24 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  7:05 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  8:59 ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-24 16:09 Richard Kenner
2002-01-24 15:30 Richard Kenner
2002-01-25  2:16 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-25  3:04   ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25  4:17     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-25  4:35       ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-25  6:34         ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25  7:17   ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 13:57     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-25 14:47       ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-23 17:56 Dan Nicolaescu
2002-01-23 18:27 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-23 18:48   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2002-01-23 19:16     ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-24 14:15     ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-24 14:16       ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-24 14:27         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-24 14:35           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-24 15:06             ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-24 15:08             ` Paolo Carlini
2002-01-24 15:18       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2002-01-24 15:36         ` Mark Mitchell
2002-01-25  2:25           ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-25 15:48           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2002-01-25 20:22             ` Joe Buck
2002-01-25 23:59               ` Daniel Berlin
2002-01-27 17:04               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2002-01-27 17:59                 ` Paolo Carlini

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