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From: Tim Josling <tejgcc@westnet.com.au>
To: Diego Novillo <dnovillo@google.com>, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Cc: Richard Kenner <kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>,
	bernds_cb1@t-online.de,  dannyb@google.com, sam@rfc1149.net
Subject: Re: Rant about ChangeLog entries and commit messages
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:08:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196712459.6257.23.camel@tim-gcc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <475451C5.1080204@google.com>

On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 13:58 -0500, Diego Novillo wrote:
> On 12/03/07 13:50, Richard Kenner wrote:
> >> I guess that could work, but that wouldn't give a way into the history 
> >> for the change.  Several times there is a post-mortem discussion on the 
> >> patch, leading to more patches.
> > 
> > How about both?
> 
> Sure.
> 
> 
> Diego.

Quite a few people are worried about verbose descriptions of changes
cluttering up the ChangeLog. Others (like me) would like a way easily to
find the discussions about the change, and would like a brief indication
in the ChangeLog of the context of the change. The FSF also has good
reasons for keeping solid records of who made what change.

So, how about this:

1. For a PR fix, continue to record the PR number and category.
Like this: 
      PR tree-optimization/32694

2. For all changes, a one-line record giving the context, plus the URL
of a key message in the email message trail, unless the intent is
plainly obvious such as bumping the version number.
Like this:
      Gimplification of Fortran front end. 
      http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2007-12/msg00072.html       

3. Continue to record "who made what change".
Like this: 
       * config/xtensa/xtensa.c (xtensa_expand_prologue): Put a
REG_FRAME_RELATED_EXPR note on the last insn that sets up the stack
pointer or frame pointer.

This should satisfy everyone's needs.

This would by no means be the largest divergence from the FSF standards
by the GCC project. The use of languages other than C in the Ada front
end is non-compliant by my reading. The compliance of the rest of the
code to the FSF standards is spotty at times eg the garbage collection
code.

While this is a divergence from the FSF standards, it is a positive
change and no information is being lost.

It would be interesting to ask someone who was around at the time why
the guidelines were written as they were. They rationale may no longer
be relevant.

Tim Josling


  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-03 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-02 10:05 Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 10:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-02 10:52   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:04     ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2007-12-02 23:28       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-03  0:30         ` DJ Delorie
2007-12-03  4:06         ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03  4:51           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03 14:41             ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 11:43   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:28   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 12:43     ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-12-02 13:05       ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 14:27         ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-02 20:52           ` tim
2007-12-03  2:41             ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-02 23:29         ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-02 20:28       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-02 20:36         ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 20:40           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-02 22:55             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03  0:21               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03  6:16                 ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03 13:29                 ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 15:48                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03 16:20                     ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 16:50                     ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-03 17:26                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-04 22:10                   ` Jeffrey Law
2007-12-16  3:03                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16 10:25                     ` NightStrike
2007-12-16 13:04                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16 18:52                         ` NightStrike
2007-12-25 19:35                     ` Tim Josling
2007-12-26  1:05                       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-26  2:17                       ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-26  2:31                         ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-26  4:53                           ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-26  6:00                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-02 20:59           ` tim
2007-12-02 23:32           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-03  6:02             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03  3:55           ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 23:31         ` Joseph S. Myers
2007-12-02 20:23     ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03  6:45   ` Nicholas Nethercote
2007-12-03  9:28     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-02 10:27 ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 10:43   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 10:50     ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 11:14       ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 11:32         ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 11:48           ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:25             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 23:03 ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-02 23:54   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-03  4:03   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 17:33 ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 17:37   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 17:47   ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-12-03 17:58     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-03 18:20     ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 18:51       ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 18:58         ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 20:08           ` Tim Josling [this message]
2007-12-03 18:49     ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-04 16:45   ` Tom Tromey
2007-12-05 23:16     ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-05 23:35       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  0:29         ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-06  9:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06  0:42       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found] <2007-12-02-11-05-39+trackit+sam@rfc1149.net.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-02 18:33 ` Andi Kleen
     [not found] ` <jeodd9l7j1.fsf@sykes.suse.de.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]   ` <Pine.GSO.4.61.0712031739500.10932@mulga.csse.unimelb.edu.au.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-03 12:20     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-04  4:03       ` Nicholas Nethercote
2007-12-04 13:05         ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-04 10:19       ` Robert Kiesling
     [not found] ` <200712022136.57819.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]   ` <4aca3dc20712021240k19f3eae5j66453276179c401a@mail.gmail.com.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]     ` <200712022355.23871.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]       ` <4aca3dc20712021621n39a036d2u21f471f231dfffe@mail.gmail.com.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]         ` <10712031329.AA20246@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-03 16:34           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 16:38             ` Richard Kenner

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