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From: Jeffrey Law <law@redhat.com>
To: Richard Kenner <kenner@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>
Cc: dberlin@dberlin.org, bernds_cb1@t-online.de,
	ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr,         gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
	sam@rfc1149.net, schwab@suse.de
Subject: Re: Rant about ChangeLog entries and commit messages
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:10:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196805952.11808.20.camel@omfg.slc.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10712031329.AA20246@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu>


On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 08:29 -0500, Richard Kenner wrote:
> > Sorry, but again, this is not a good enough justification to me.
> > We do a lot of things different than "The GNU Project".
> > So do plenty of parts of the "official GNU project".
> > They use different coding standards, bug tracking systems, version
> > control systems, checkin policies, etc, than each other.
> 
> Yes, but none of those are visible other than to the development community.
> People who obtain the source distributions of projects don't get to see
> those things.  They DO see things like the ChangeLog format and coding
> and documentation conventions and THOSE are the things that need to be
> common among GNU projects.
> 
> In my view, ChangeLog is mostly "write-only" from a developer's
> perspective.  It's a document that the GNU project requires us to produce
> for the benefit of people who DON'T want access to our checkin-logs, bug
> tracking information, and mailing lsits.  But for our own development
> purposes, we use the above information much more than ChangeLog.
Right.

I don't necessarily want verbose ChangeLogs -- there are times I just 
want to know what changed and who changed it.  That's nice and easy to
extract from the ChangeLog.

Sometimes I want to look at the code/comments.  Obviously I go to the 
source to read those.

Sometimes I want even more information for a particularly complex
or controversial change -- in those cases I go back to the mailing list
archives and review the discussion(s) leading to changes to the code.


Each repository of information provides a different level of detail and
each (IMHO) has its place/utility.

Jeff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-04 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-02 10:05 Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 10:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-02 10:52   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:04     ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2007-12-02 23:28       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-03  0:30         ` DJ Delorie
2007-12-03  4:06         ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03  4:51           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03 14:41             ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 11:43   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:28   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 12:43     ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-12-02 13:05       ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 14:27         ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-02 20:52           ` tim
2007-12-03  2:41             ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-02 23:29         ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-02 20:28       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-02 20:36         ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 20:40           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-02 22:55             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03  0:21               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03  6:16                 ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03 13:29                 ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 15:48                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03 16:20                     ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 16:50                     ` Robert Kiesling
2007-12-03 17:26                       ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-04 22:10                   ` Jeffrey Law [this message]
2007-12-16  3:03                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16 10:25                     ` NightStrike
2007-12-16 13:04                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-16 18:52                         ` NightStrike
2007-12-25 19:35                     ` Tim Josling
2007-12-26  1:05                       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-26  2:17                       ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-26  2:31                         ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-26  4:53                           ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-26  6:00                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2007-12-02 20:59           ` tim
2007-12-02 23:32           ` Robert Dewar
2007-12-03  6:02             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-03  3:55           ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-02 23:31         ` Joseph S. Myers
2007-12-02 20:23     ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-03  6:45   ` Nicholas Nethercote
2007-12-03  9:28     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-02 10:27 ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 10:43   ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 10:50     ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 11:14       ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 11:32         ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 11:48           ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-12-02 12:25             ` Eric Botcazou
2007-12-02 23:03 ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-02 23:54   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-12-03  4:03   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 17:33 ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 17:37   ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 17:47   ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-12-03 17:58     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2007-12-03 18:20     ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 18:51       ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-03 18:58         ` Diego Novillo
2007-12-03 20:08           ` Tim Josling
2007-12-03 18:49     ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-04 16:45   ` Tom Tromey
2007-12-05 23:16     ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-05 23:35       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  0:29         ` Ben Elliston
2007-12-06  9:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06  0:42       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found] <2007-12-02-11-05-39+trackit+sam@rfc1149.net.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-02 18:33 ` Andi Kleen
     [not found] ` <jeodd9l7j1.fsf@sykes.suse.de.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]   ` <Pine.GSO.4.61.0712031739500.10932@mulga.csse.unimelb.edu.au.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-03 12:20     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-04  4:03       ` Nicholas Nethercote
2007-12-04 13:05         ` Richard Kenner
2007-12-04 10:19       ` Robert Kiesling
     [not found] ` <200712022136.57819.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]   ` <4aca3dc20712021240k19f3eae5j66453276179c401a@mail.gmail.com.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]     ` <200712022355.23871.ebotcazou@libertysurf.fr.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]       ` <4aca3dc20712021621n39a036d2u21f471f231dfffe@mail.gmail.com.suse.lists.egcs>
     [not found]         ` <10712031329.AA20246@vlsi1.ultra.nyu.edu.suse.lists.egcs>
2007-12-03 16:34           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 16:38             ` Richard Kenner

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