New subdirectory "news" on our web server

New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

FYI: I have created a new subdirectory "news" in our web area, where
I plan to put all documents related to announcements (in our "News"
section on the home page resp. news.html).

I have already added a first version of the announcement of the new
ia32.html backend and plan to migrate all other news items from the
base directory into that new directory.

Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
task, by the way? ;-)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Toon Moene]

Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

> I have already added a first version of the announcement of the new
> ia32.html backend and plan to migrate all other news items from the
> base directory into that new directory.

Nice page (for those not able to deduce the URL from the above
description - it's http://egcs.cygnus.com/news/ia32.html )

Minor nit:  I would use a blank line between "dotted" list items -
especially when <code> sections are involved, this is much clearer.

Minor nit II:  Taken out of context, it is not clear who the "I" is in
the first sentence ...

Looks good, otherwise !

-- 
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Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286
GNU Fortran: http://world.std.com/~burley/g77.html

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Jeffrey A Law]

  In message <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906190149350.28961-100000@alphard.dbai.tuwien.ac.a
t>you write:
  > Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
  > task, by the way? ;-)
I just moved a bunch.  There's still some hanging around.

There's also the question of things which were news items, but which we will
want to continue to reference off the home page (like the CVS stuff, the
steering committee, and the like).
jeff

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Toon Moene wrote:
> Nice page (for those not able to deduce the URL from the above
> description - it's http://egcs.cygnus.com/news/ia32.html )

This was for RTH to have a look at and make some final adjustments, 
that's why I have not linked nor announced it yet (except to the
cvs-wwwdocs list, that is).

> Minor nit:  I would use a blank line between "dotted" list items -
> especially when <code> sections are involved, this is much clearer.

From a layout point of view I agree, but this is another case of "physical
vs logical" markup, so I'd lean strongly against making this change.

You didn't specify your browser, but lynx handles this just fine, for
example.

> Minor nit II:  Taken out of context, it is not clear who the "I" is in
> the first sentence ...

Yeah, indeed that's one of the issues I asked RTH to have a look at/tweak
when double checking my mail -> HTML translation. ;-)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Jeffrey A Law wrote:
>> Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
>> task, by the way? ;-)
> I just moved a bunch.  There's still some hanging around.

Thanks!

> There's also the question of things which were news items, but which
> we will want to continue to reference off the home page (like the CVS
> stuff, the steering committee, and the like).

The CVS stuff is a good example.

For files like cvs.html that start as part of an announcement, but remain
useful for direct reference from the main page, I suggest to put/keep them
in the main directory, but change their announcement character to a more
documentation like later on.

This usually involves removing the date at the top, removing phrases like
"pleased to announce" or "finally", and updating the contents.

In particular, I think we should refrain from modifying announcements, as
long as they appear as such.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Jeffrey A Law]

  In message < Pine.GSO.4.10.9906211402280.14589-100000@markab.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
>you write:
  > The CVS stuff is a good example.
  > 
  > For files like cvs.html that start as part of an announcement, but remain
  > useful for direct reference from the main page, I suggest to put/keep them
  > in the main directory, but change their announcement character to a more
  > documentation like later on.
OK.

  > In particular, I think we should refrain from modifying announcements, as
  > long as they appear as such.
Other than tweaking links as they move around, I totally agree.

With this in mind we probably want to put a little more thought into how
we write announcements so that stuff we want to use longer term is date/time
neutral and written more along the lines of documentation than as a news item.


Further in the back of my mind is the desire to have pages for both
developers and users which describe internal architecture and optimizations
(this is to supplement the manual).  At that point stuff like alias.html,
lcm.html and other news items turn into a form of online documentation about
what the optimizations do, how they're implemented and the like.  But that's a
ways off.

A little more near term, I'll be giving a talk next month to a local Linux
users group.  Some of that material should probably appear on the web page
in one form or another (who we are, what we've done, where we're going,
that kind of stuff).

jeff

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Jeffrey A Law wrote:
> With this in mind we probably want to put a little more thought into
> how we write announcements so that stuff we want to use longer term is
> date/time neutral and written more along the lines of documentation
> than as a news item.

That's a good idea, yes.

> A little more near term, I'll be giving a talk next month to a local
> Linux users group.  Some of that material should probably appear on
> the web page in one form or another (who we are, what we've done,
> where we're going, that kind of stuff).

What would be really nice to have is some history.html, where we have,
among others, a timeline and a short description of the egcs split,
the "reunion" etc.

Especially when gcc 2.95 comes out, we will probably receive quite a
lot of questions concerning this.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Jeffrey A Law wrote:
> With this in mind we probably want to put a little more thought into
> how we write announcements so that stuff we want to use longer term is
> date/time neutral and written more along the lines of documentation
> than as a news item.

That's a good idea, yes.

> A little more near term, I'll be giving a talk next month to a local
> Linux users group.  Some of that material should probably appear on
> the web page in one form or another (who we are, what we've done,
> where we're going, that kind of stuff).

What would be really nice to have is some history.html, where we have,
among others, a timeline and a short description of the egcs split,
the "reunion" etc.

Especially when gcc 2.95 comes out, we will probably receive quite a
lot of questions concerning this.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Toon Moene]

Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

> I have already added a first version of the announcement of the new
> ia32.html backend and plan to migrate all other news items from the
> base directory into that new directory.

Nice page (for those not able to deduce the URL from the above
description - it's http://egcs.cygnus.com/news/ia32.html )

Minor nit:  I would use a blank line between "dotted" list items -
especially when <code> sections are involved, this is much clearer.

Minor nit II:  Taken out of context, it is not clear who the "I" is in
the first sentence ...

Looks good, otherwise !

-- 
Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl)
Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286
GNU Fortran: http://world.std.com/~burley/g77.html

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Jeffrey A Law wrote:
>> Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
>> task, by the way? ;-)
> I just moved a bunch.  There's still some hanging around.

Thanks!

> There's also the question of things which were news items, but which
> we will want to continue to reference off the home page (like the CVS
> stuff, the steering committee, and the like).

The CVS stuff is a good example.

For files like cvs.html that start as part of an announcement, but remain
useful for direct reference from the main page, I suggest to put/keep them
in the main directory, but change their announcement character to a more
documentation like later on.

This usually involves removing the date at the top, removing phrases like
"pleased to announce" or "finally", and updating the contents.

In particular, I think we should refrain from modifying announcements, as
long as they appear as such.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Jeffrey A Law]

  In message < Pine.GSO.4.10.9906211402280.14589-100000@markab.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
>you write:
  > The CVS stuff is a good example.
  > 
  > For files like cvs.html that start as part of an announcement, but remain
  > useful for direct reference from the main page, I suggest to put/keep them
  > in the main directory, but change their announcement character to a more
  > documentation like later on.
OK.

  > In particular, I think we should refrain from modifying announcements, as
  > long as they appear as such.
Other than tweaking links as they move around, I totally agree.

With this in mind we probably want to put a little more thought into how
we write announcements so that stuff we want to use longer term is date/time
neutral and written more along the lines of documentation than as a news item.


Further in the back of my mind is the desire to have pages for both
developers and users which describe internal architecture and optimizations
(this is to supplement the manual).  At that point stuff like alias.html,
lcm.html and other news items turn into a form of online documentation about
what the optimizations do, how they're implemented and the like.  But that's a
ways off.

A little more near term, I'll be giving a talk next month to a local Linux
users group.  Some of that material should probably appear on the web page
in one form or another (who we are, what we've done, where we're going,
that kind of stuff).

jeff

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Toon Moene wrote:
> Nice page (for those not able to deduce the URL from the above
> description - it's http://egcs.cygnus.com/news/ia32.html )

This was for RTH to have a look at and make some final adjustments, 
that's why I have not linked nor announced it yet (except to the
cvs-wwwdocs list, that is).

> Minor nit:  I would use a blank line between "dotted" list items -
> especially when <code> sections are involved, this is much clearer.

From a layout point of view I agree, but this is another case of "physical
vs logical" markup, so I'd lean strongly against making this change.

You didn't specify your browser, but lynx handles this just fine, for
example.

> Minor nit II:  Taken out of context, it is not clear who the "I" is in
> the first sentence ...

Yeah, indeed that's one of the issues I asked RTH to have a look at/tweak
when double checking my mail -> HTML translation. ;-)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Jeffrey A Law]

  In message <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906190149350.28961-100000@alphard.dbai.tuwien.ac.a
t>you write:
  > Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
  > task, by the way? ;-)
I just moved a bunch.  There's still some hanging around.

There's also the question of things which were news items, but which we will
want to continue to reference off the home page (like the CVS stuff, the
steering committee, and the like).
jeff

New subdirectory "news" on our web server

[Gerald Pfeifer]

FYI: I have created a new subdirectory "news" in our web area, where
I plan to put all documents related to announcements (in our "News"
section on the home page resp. news.html).

I have already added a first version of the announcement of the new
ia32.html backend and plan to migrate all other news items from the
base directory into that new directory.

Anyone with CVS write access interested in helping with the latter
task, by the way? ;-)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/