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From: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
To: Karel Gardas <kgardas@objectsecurity.com>
Cc: GCC Mailing List <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Putting C++ code into gcc front end
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:39:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15975.13134.577413.231458@cuddles.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0303052300410.32419-100000@thinkpad.c0202001.roe.itnq.net>

Karel Gardas writes:
 > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 tm_gccmail@mail.kloo.net wrote:
 > 
 > > I personally think having parts of GCC written in C++ is a bad idea,
 > > as it forces people to know Yet Another Language in addition to
 > > C, shell scripts, sed, makefiles, etc.
 > >
 > > However, if this happens, you might consider looking at Mozilla's
 > > C++ coding guidelines - they have experience with compiling with
 > > many different C++ compilers on many different platforms.
 > >
 > > Here's the URL:
 > >
 > > http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/portable-cpp.html
 > 
 > First five points on this list look quite restrictive:
 > 
 > - Don't use C++ templates.
 > - Don't use static constructors.
 > - Don't use exceptions.
 > - Don't use Run-time Type Information.
 > - Don't use namespace facility.

And rather old-fashioned.

We are compiler writers.  We are not ignorant users.  We should know
which features are expensive, and which are not.  We should know which
features make code easier to read, and which make it harder.

If we use templates, it is because we know why we are using them, and
it is the best way to solve the problem at hand.

If someone submits a patch that is inefficient or difficult to read,
that patch should be rejected.  We already have mechanisms in place to
control this problem.

Trust the maintainers.

Andrew.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-06 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-05 16:20 Robert Dewar
2003-03-05 16:31 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-05 18:52   ` Matt Austern
2003-03-05 21:20     ` Toon Moene
2003-03-05 21:28 ` tm_gccmail
2003-03-05 21:29   ` Fabio Alemagna
2003-03-05 22:12   ` Karel Gardas
2003-03-06 12:39     ` Andrew Haley [this message]
2003-03-06  7:58   ` Lars Segerlund
2003-03-06 11:47     ` Vladimir Merzliakov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-08 19:23 Robert Dewar
2003-03-08 19:00 Robert Dewar
2003-03-06 20:36 Nathanael Nerode
2003-03-06 20:23 Tim Josling
2003-03-06 17:17 Joern Rennecke
2003-03-06 18:25 ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-07 19:04   ` Toon Moene
2003-03-05 23:03 Robert Dewar
2003-03-06  7:18 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-06  7:53 ` Karel Gardas
2003-03-06  9:17   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-06 17:25 ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-03-06 22:23   ` Michael Matz
2003-03-06 22:30     ` Karel Gardas
2003-03-06 22:52     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-06 23:31       ` Michael Matz
2003-03-05 22:42 Chris Lattner
2003-03-05 21:07 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-03-05 22:18 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-06  9:13   ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 11:08   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-06 17:27   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-03-05  4:27 Robert Dewar
2003-03-05  7:00 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-05  7:57   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-05 19:18     ` Mike Stump
2003-03-04 18:14 Nathanael Nerode
2003-03-04 18:21 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04 18:28   ` Geert Bosch
2003-03-04 19:35     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04 17:55 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-03-04 20:02 ` Matt Austern
2003-03-04 20:08   ` Gareth Pearce
2003-03-04 21:50 ` Michael Matz
2003-03-05  8:48   ` Lars Segerlund
2003-03-05  9:40     ` Tom Lord
2003-03-04 22:02 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 17:30 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-03-04 17:29 Benjamin Kosnik
2003-03-04 16:56 Nathanael Nerode
     [not found] <616BE6A276E3714788D2AC35C40CD18DAD4FC1@whale.softwire.co.uk>
2003-03-04 11:55 ` Rupert Wood
2003-03-04 12:11   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-04 12:46     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 13:57       ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-04 14:21         ` Lars Segerlund
2003-03-04 14:33         ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-04 14:46           ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-04 14:53             ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-04 15:03               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 15:11                 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-04 15:19                   ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-04 15:26                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 16:30                     ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2003-03-04 17:17               ` Steven Bosscher
2003-03-04 17:41                 ` Phil Edwards
2003-03-04 18:37                   ` Daniel Berlin
2003-03-05 10:51                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2003-03-05 18:48                   ` Mark Mitchell
2003-03-04 17:33               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04 17:53                 ` Phil Edwards
2003-03-04 20:50                   ` Geoff Keating
2003-03-04 21:01                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 22:03                       ` Geoff Keating
2003-03-04 22:49                         ` Michael Matz
2003-03-04 23:07                         ` Gareth Pearce
2003-03-05  2:13                           ` Michael S. Zick
2003-03-05  2:19                             ` Gareth Pearce
2003-03-05  0:50                         ` Diego Novillo
2003-03-04 18:26                 ` Geert Bosch
2003-03-04 21:48                 ` Michael Matz
2003-03-05  2:55       ` Mark Mitchell
2003-03-04 13:52     ` Nathan Sidwell
2003-03-04 14:22       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-04 16:40         ` Nathan Sidwell
2003-03-04 18:18       ` Dale Johannesen
2003-03-04 19:25         ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-03-05 16:51         ` Marc Espie
2003-03-05 18:42           ` Dale Johannesen
2003-03-04 10:19 Nathanael Nerode
2003-03-04 10:23 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 11:20   ` Pop Sébastian
2003-03-04 12:42     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04  9:53 Nathanael Nerode
2003-03-04 10:06 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 11:25   ` Andreas Schwab
2003-03-04  3:06 Tom Tromey
2003-03-04  5:45 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-05  0:54   ` Mike Stump
2003-03-04  7:01 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04  7:12   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04  7:54     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04  9:20       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 17:35         ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04 15:05 ` Michael Matz
2003-03-04 15:06   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 15:08   ` Lars Segerlund
2003-03-04 15:12     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 15:33       ` Lars Segerlund
2003-03-04 15:58         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2003-03-04 16:01         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-04 16:09           ` Kaveh R. Ghazi
2003-03-04 16:49             ` Nathan Sidwell
2003-03-04 17:18               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-03-04 21:46                 ` Michael Matz
2003-03-04 17:20         ` Andrew Haley
2003-03-04 17:36     ` Tom Tromey
2003-03-06 14:59       ` Fergus Henderson
2003-03-07  3:51       ` Per Bothner
2003-03-07 13:39         ` Pop Sébastian
2003-03-07 20:41           ` Neil Booth
2003-03-07 20:49             ` Per Bothner
2003-03-07 21:52             ` Geoff Keating
2003-03-07 21:57               ` Per Bothner
2003-03-07 22:55               ` Neil Booth
2003-03-07 22:57                 ` Geoff Keating
2003-03-07 23:05                   ` tm_gccmail
2003-03-07 23:24                     ` law
2003-03-07 23:07                   ` Neil Booth
2003-03-07 23:09                   ` Geert Bosch
2003-03-07 23:19                     ` Neil Booth
2003-03-08  0:37                       ` Steven Bosscher
2003-03-08  2:09                       ` Laurent Guerby
2003-03-08 15:27                 ` Toon Moene
2003-03-07 20:13         ` Joseph S. Myers

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