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From: Marc Espie <espie@quatramaran.ens.fr>
To: sb@metis.no
Cc: egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: egcs and linux
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:06:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199902141506.QAA09933@quatramaran.ens.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: < wh1zjtgnwy.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no >

In article < wh1zjtgnwy.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no > you write:
>>>>>> Jeffrey A Law <law@hurl.cygnus.com>:

>> That may be your only concern, but this project is not just a linux
>> compiler.  We have to think about broader scopes than just linux.

>Linux is a _very_ important platform for egcs.  Egcs _really_ should
>be able to work on linux without any patches.  

So get clean patches *in* that won't annoy other architectures.
I'm currently working to get egcs to work with almost no patches on OpenBSD.
Why almost ? because there are philosophical differences, and all the world
is not OpenBSD. Nor Linux. Nor Hurd. I'm always pushing to give my point
of view, especially where I think it matters in the general idea, but I don't
really expect all the sillyness OpenBSD would like to impose on egcs to 
matter, in the end.

>Today 1.1.1 doesn't work properly on linux without H.J.'s patches.

>IMHO 1.1.2 should not be released at all, before it will work on linux
>without patches.

Your opinion doesn't matter. Clean code does.

What's important is to understand differences, and cater for them the 
way they're needed. The day the egcs project starts moving to accommodate
the linux crowd to the detriment of other architectures is the day *I'm*
dropping it.

Besides, who cares about being able to work out of the box without patches ?
This is a technical area. People who know what the patches fix will know how
where to get them, or what to patch themselves. Heck, I've asked enough silly
questions on this ml recently to be dead sure I was doing things the right
way...

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Marc Espie <espie@quatramaran.ens.fr>
To: sb@metis.no
Cc: egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: egcs and linux
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:53:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199902141506.QAA09933@quatramaran.ens.fr> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990228225300.xh4NEEIzTjt0876uzJ2sYsvmXt2fgQLqFQWOmcZTKTk@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wh1zjtgnwy.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no>

In article < wh1zjtgnwy.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no > you write:
>>>>>> Jeffrey A Law <law@hurl.cygnus.com>:

>> That may be your only concern, but this project is not just a linux
>> compiler.  We have to think about broader scopes than just linux.

>Linux is a _very_ important platform for egcs.  Egcs _really_ should
>be able to work on linux without any patches.  

So get clean patches *in* that won't annoy other architectures.
I'm currently working to get egcs to work with almost no patches on OpenBSD.
Why almost ? because there are philosophical differences, and all the world
is not OpenBSD. Nor Linux. Nor Hurd. I'm always pushing to give my point
of view, especially where I think it matters in the general idea, but I don't
really expect all the sillyness OpenBSD would like to impose on egcs to 
matter, in the end.

>Today 1.1.1 doesn't work properly on linux without H.J.'s patches.

>IMHO 1.1.2 should not be released at all, before it will work on linux
>without patches.

Your opinion doesn't matter. Clean code does.

What's important is to understand differences, and cater for them the 
way they're needed. The day the egcs project starts moving to accommodate
the linux crowd to the detriment of other architectures is the day *I'm*
dropping it.

Besides, who cares about being able to work out of the box without patches ?
This is a technical area. People who know what the patches fix will know how
where to get them, or what to patch themselves. Heck, I've asked enough silly
questions on this ml recently to be dead sure I was doing things the right
way...

  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-02-14  7:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-01-29 17:26 multiple definitions of 'xxx keyed to...' in egcs-1.1.1 H.J. Lu
1999-01-30 12:51 ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-01-30 13:44   ` H.J. Lu
1999-01-30 18:38     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-01-31  9:28       ` H.J. Lu
1999-01-31 23:58         ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-01  7:02           ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]             ` < m107Krt-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-01 15:22               ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                 ` < 199902012314.AAA00681@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-02  7:12                   ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                     ` < m107hUo-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-02 14:22                       ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                         ` < 199902022216.XAA01250@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-04  6:36                           ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                             ` < m108PtF-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-13 11:26                               ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                 ` < 12451.918933918@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-13 12:13                                   ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                     ` < 199902132010.VAA04139@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-13 15:16                                       ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                         ` < m10BoHn-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-13 15:21                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                             ` < 13364.918948012@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-13 15:41                                               ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                 ` < m10Boh4-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-13 21:42                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                     ` < 13959.918970867@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-15 17:00                                                       ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                         ` < m10CYsJ-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-15 17:46                                                           ` Mark Mitchell
     [not found]                                                             ` < 199902160149.RAA28975@adsl-206-170-148-33.dsl.pacbell.net >
1999-02-15 17:50                                                               ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                 ` < m10CZeU-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-15 18:10                                                                   ` Mark Mitchell
     [not found]                                                                     ` < 199902160212.SAA29229@adsl-206-170-148-33.dsl.pacbell.net >
1999-02-17 13:39                                                                       ` Kamil Iskra
     [not found]                                                                         ` < Pine.LNX.3.96.990217221633.1697A-100000@jinks.home >
1999-02-17 13:45                                                                           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                         ` Kamil Iskra
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                     ` Mark Mitchell
     [not found]                                                                 ` <199902160212.SAA29229.cygnus.egcs@adsl-206-170-148-33.dsl.pacbell.net>
1999-02-16 10:51                                                                   ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                     ` < u9ww1ii3mw.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 11:29                                                                       ` Mark Mitchell
1999-02-17  0:26                                                                         ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                         ` Mark Mitchell
1999-02-16 23:23                                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-16 23:33                                                                         ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                           ` < u9iud1iiwm.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-17  6:49                                                                             ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                               ` < m10D8I7-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-17 11:45                                                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-17 12:38                                                                                   ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                                     ` < u990dwix4w.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-18  6:42                                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                         ` < m10DUeS-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-20 12:47                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                             ` < 4798.919543586@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-20 12:55                                                                                               ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` < m10EJQj-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-20 12:58                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` < 4881.919544286@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-20 13:02                                                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` < m10EJXX-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-20 13:09                                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` < 4941.919544939@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-20 13:12                                                                                                               ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-20 13:33                                                                                                                   ` Robert Lipe
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` < 19990220153254.A8783@rjlhome.sco.com >
1999-02-20 14:36                                                                                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                     ` Robert Lipe
1999-02-22  0:46                                                                                                             ` Andris Pavenis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                               ` Andris Pavenis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-20 13:17                                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-20 13:34                                                                                                           ` Mumit Khan
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Mumit Khan
1999-02-20 15:35                                                                                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` < 199902202335.AAA06542@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-20 16:11                                                                                                               ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` < m10EMUB-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-21 15:15                                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-21 13:59                                                                                                         ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` < u9vhgvfmfa.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-21 15:22                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` < 7817.919639310@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-21 15:28                                                                                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-21 16:16                                                                                                               ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` < u9lnhrfg3k.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-21 16:40                                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` < 8103.919644009@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-21 17:07                                                                                                                       ` Richard Henderson
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` < 19990221170738.A22156@cygnus.com >
1999-02-21 17:16                                                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                         ` Richard Henderson
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                 ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                           ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-20 12:58                                                                                               ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` < m10EJTY-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-20 13:04                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` < 4923.919544645@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-20 13:15                                                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` < m10EJjp-000392C@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-20 15:40                                                                                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-20 12:58                                                                                               ` Zack Weinberg
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` < 199902202057.PAA22565@blastula.phys.columbia.edu >
1999-02-20 13:28                                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` < 5066.919546022@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-20 13:35                                                                                                       ` Zack Weinberg
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` < 199902202135.QAA23017@blastula.phys.columbia.edu >
1999-02-20 13:42                                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-20 15:40                                                                                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` < 199902202338.AAA06546@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-21  3:45                                                                                                               ` Kamil Iskra
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` < Pine.LNX.3.96.990221120241.903C-100000@jinks.home >
1999-02-21 11:20                                                                                                                   ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                     ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                                 ` Kamil Iskra
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-02-21 18:22                                                                                                       ` the jackal
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` < 19990221211950.B10271@diwanh.stu.rpi.edu >
1999-02-21 18:47                                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                         ` the jackal
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-22  0:40                                                                                                 ` Andris Pavenis
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` < 99022210384700.00200@hal >
1999-02-22  6:59                                                                                                     ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-24  0:18                                                                                                       ` Andris Pavenis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                         ` Andris Pavenis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                   ` Andris Pavenis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                                 ` Zack Weinberg
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                     ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                                                   ` < 26163.919280679@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-17 15:45                                                                                     ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                                                                       ` < 199902172339.AAA01000@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-17 15:48                                                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                                                           ` < 26749.919295221@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-17 16:37                                                                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                               ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                       ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                               ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-21 20:30                                                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                           ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                     ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                             ` Mark Mitchell
1999-02-28 22:53                                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                 ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-14  4:39                                             ` egcs and linux Steinar Bang
     [not found]                                               ` < wh1zjtgnwy.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no >
1999-02-14  7:06                                                 ` Marc Espie [this message]
1999-02-14  7:23                                                   ` Steinar Bang
     [not found]                                                     ` < whogmxdn6i.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no >
1999-02-14  8:01                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                   ` Marc Espie
1999-02-14  8:00                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-14  8:05                                                   ` Steinar Bang
     [not found]                                                     ` < whemntdl8m.fsf@viffer.oslo.metis.no >
1999-02-14  8:10                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-14  9:39                                                 ` Scott McDermott
1999-02-14 10:00                                                   ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                                   ` Scott McDermott
1999-02-14 22:47                                                 ` Joe Buck
     [not found]                                                   ` < 199902150645.WAA17085@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-15 17:40                                                     ` H.J. Lu
     [not found]                                                       ` < m10CZUe-00038sC@ocean.lucon.org >
1999-02-16  9:58                                                         ` Joe Buck
     [not found]                                                           ` < 199902161756.JAA18794@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-16 20:13                                                             ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-16 20:55                                                               ` Scott Bambrough
1999-02-28 22:53                                                                 ` Scott Bambrough
1999-02-28 22:53                                                               ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-18 15:37                                                             ` Horst von Brand
1999-02-28 22:53                                                               ` Horst von Brand
1999-02-28 22:53                                                           ` Joe Buck
1999-02-16 10:06                                                         ` Joe Buck
     [not found]                                                           ` < 199902161805.KAA18983@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-16 20:02                                                             ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                               ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                           ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53                                                       ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                                   ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53                                               ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                             ` multiple definitions of 'xxx keyed to...' in egcs-1.1.1 Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-15 22:50                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                         ` < 20471.919147770@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-16  0:39                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                             ` < 199902160838.JAA00531@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de >
1999-02-16  0:45                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                                 ` < 20770.919154653@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 14:06                                                   ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-16  1:04                                             ` Steinar Bang
1999-02-28 22:53                                               ` Steinar Bang
     [not found]                                             ` <20770.919154653.cygnus.egcs@hurl.cygnus.com>
1999-02-16 10:47                                               ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                                 ` < u9yalyi3t6.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 10:56                                                   ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Joe Buck
1999-02-16 11:19                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                                 ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-16  6:57                                           ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                             ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                     ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]                                 ` <199902132010.VAA04139.cygnus.egcs@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de>
1999-02-14 21:44                                   ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                     ` < u9btiwjk5k.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-15 17:43                                       ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                                     ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                             ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-28 22:53                         ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                     ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-13 11:25                   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                     ` < 12441.918933847@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-13 12:08                       ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                         ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                 ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-02-28 22:53             ` H.J. Lu
1999-02-01  7:03         ` James Mansion
1999-02-28 22:53           ` James Mansion
1999-01-31 23:58       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-01-31 23:58     ` H.J. Lu
1999-01-31 23:58   ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-02-16 18:32 egcs and linux N8TM
     [not found] ` < ce4a0e3a.36ca2909@aol.com >
1999-02-16 18:35   ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53     ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53 ` N8TM

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