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From: craig@jcb-sc.com
To: torvalds@transmeta.com
Cc: craig@jcb-sc.com
Subject: Re: Linux and aliasing?
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 05:46:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19990604105419.19805.qmail@deer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990604012259.3585B-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

>I want the _user_ to be able to give input. 
[...]
>I happen to think that the "explicit cast invalidates the alias
>information" rule is the simplest and best one, and gives the user the
>best control without adding things like new attributes or other ways to
>let the user be in control.

In other words, you believe you are a better language designer than
the ISO C people as well as the gcc maintainers, despite the fact
that you know, what, *nothing* about language design, and *nothing*
about compiler design and, especially, long-term maintenance of
compilers?

[...]
>And I would not say "POSIX does not allow you to do that, so why should
>you do it"? 

>I dislike fascist compilers who think they know better than I do.

Then stop using them.

>And I dislike people who think fascist compilers are a good idea.

We dislike people who think the only good compiler is one that compiles
Linux, on the theory that whatever features Linux needs, must be the
exact ones that should have been in the C language in the first place.

*They* appear to be the real fascists to me, showing up on gcc lists
every few months, telling us how stupid, obnoxious, or ignorant we
are to not take their advice by running around like rats implementing
every feature they ask for, but hardly ever listening to our advice.

gcc is a tool, but some people appear to want it to be a wife -- Betty
Crocker in the kitchen, a virgin with the folks, and a hooker in the
bedroom.

        tq vm, (burley)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: craig@jcb-sc.com
To: torvalds@transmeta.com
Cc: craig@jcb-sc.com
Subject: Re: Linux and aliasing?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:43:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19990604105419.19805.qmail@deer> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990630154300.ERrMl38v6lihUikQz83xa0RWgrdW67r8huyhyahnxqk@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990604012259.3585B-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

>I want the _user_ to be able to give input. 
[...]
>I happen to think that the "explicit cast invalidates the alias
>information" rule is the simplest and best one, and gives the user the
>best control without adding things like new attributes or other ways to
>let the user be in control.

In other words, you believe you are a better language designer than
the ISO C people as well as the gcc maintainers, despite the fact
that you know, what, *nothing* about language design, and *nothing*
about compiler design and, especially, long-term maintenance of
compilers?

[...]
>And I would not say "POSIX does not allow you to do that, so why should
>you do it"? 

>I dislike fascist compilers who think they know better than I do.

Then stop using them.

>And I dislike people who think fascist compilers are a good idea.

We dislike people who think the only good compiler is one that compiles
Linux, on the theory that whatever features Linux needs, must be the
exact ones that should have been in the C language in the first place.

*They* appear to be the real fascists to me, showing up on gcc lists
every few months, telling us how stupid, obnoxious, or ignorant we
are to not take their advice by running around like rats implementing
every feature they ask for, but hardly ever listening to our advice.

gcc is a tool, but some people appear to want it to be a wife -- Betty
Crocker in the kitchen, a virgin with the folks, and a hooker in the
bedroom.

        tq vm, (burley)

  reply	other threads:[~1999-06-04  5:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 218+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-03 10:23 Chip Salzenberg
1999-06-03 10:37 ` mark
1999-06-03 11:26   ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 12:03     ` mark
1999-06-03 12:25       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 20:06         ` craig
1999-06-03 23:03           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-03 23:45             ` mark
1999-06-04  0:04               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  1:08                 ` Branko Cibej
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Branko Cibej
1999-06-04  1:24                 ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04  1:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  5:46                     ` craig [this message]
1999-06-04  7:22                       ` burley (was Re: Linux and aliasing?) Mark Hahn
1999-06-04  8:16                         ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Mark Hahn
1999-06-04  8:35                       ` Linux and aliasing? Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 10:04                         ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 10:22                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 10:31                             ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 10:53                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Joe Buck
1999-07-11 10:55                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-07-31 23:33                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 11:11                             ` Toon Moene
1999-06-04 12:20                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-05  5:45                                 ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05  6:23                                   ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-05 10:32                                     ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 13:26                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 19:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06  1:18                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-06 10:46                                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:56                                             ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-06 19:24                                               ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                                                 ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-06 22:23                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                               ` <199906070645.IAA00615@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de>
1999-06-07  2:14                                                 ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-07  8:02                                                   ` mark
1999-06-07  8:41                                                     ` David S. Miller
1999-06-07  9:24                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-07  9:29                                                         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                           ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-07  9:32                                                       ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                                         ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                                       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                     ` mark
1999-06-07 13:11                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                   ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 18:48                                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 10:37                                     ` mark
1999-06-05 11:09                                       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 12:11                                         ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 12:21                                           ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 16:51                                             ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Toon Moene
1999-06-07  6:01                                         ` Joern Rennecke
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Joern Rennecke
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 11:35                                       ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-05 12:41                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 14:43                                         ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-05 16:53                                         ` mark
1999-06-07  2:36                                           ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-07  8:04                                             ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-06 23:12                                   ` f77 vs type based alias analysis Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-06 23:20                                   ` Linux and aliasing? Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` Toon Moene
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-05  4:05                               ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Toon Moene
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 11:49                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 13:03                             ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
1999-06-04 13:13                               ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 12:59                           ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-04 13:29                             ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 13:39                               ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04  5:47                 ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` craig
1999-06-04  7:11                 ` mark
1999-06-04  8:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` mark
1999-06-04  8:41                 ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-04  8:53                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` mark
1999-06-04  5:47             ` craig
1999-06-04  8:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  8:49                 ` craig
1999-06-04  8:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  9:02                     ` Jean-Pierre Radley
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` Jean-Pierre Radley
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` craig
1999-06-04  8:39             ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-04  8:55               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 15:20                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-05  9:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 11:00                     ` mark
1999-06-06 10:30                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 10:44                         ` mark
1999-06-06 14:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:41                             ` mark
1999-06-07  8:58                               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07  9:18                                 ` mark
1999-06-07  9:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07  9:38                                     ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-07 10:05                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-07 10:44                                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07 11:22                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-08  1:34                                           ` Nick Ing-Simmons
1999-06-08  1:48                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Nick Ing-Simmons
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` mark
1999-06-07 13:34                                 ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-04 15:02             ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-04 16:50               ` Bernd Schmidt
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Bernd Schmidt
1999-06-05  9:35               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 13:34                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-05 18:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 21:38                   ` Jakub Jelinek
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Jakub Jelinek
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-03 23:53           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43             ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]           ` <v04205101b37d700fbf8d@[192.168.1.254]>
1999-06-04  7:01             ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43               ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43           ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 13:31       ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43         ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43     ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 12:02   ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-03 15:38     ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43       ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43     ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43   ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Chip Salzenberg
1999-06-04 11:54 Mike Stump
1999-06-04 12:13 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 13:25   ` Sylvain Pion
1999-06-04 13:32     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43     ` Sylvain Pion
1999-06-30 15:43   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Mike Stump
1999-06-06 15:08 Ross Harvey
1999-06-06 15:46 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:29 ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43   ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Ross Harvey

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