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From: Tim Hollebeek <tim@wfn-shop.princeton.edu>
To: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
Cc: craig@jcb-sc.com, davem@redhat.com, mark@codesourcery.com,
	chip@perlsupport.com, egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: Linux and aliasing?
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:39:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199906041539.LAA27085@wagner.Princeton.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990603223919.10858E-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds writes ...
> 
> But it should be reasonably easy to implement very straightforward rules,
> and have the rules themselves make common sense ;)
> 
> The extremely straightforward rule that at least I would advocate is _so_
> straightforward as to be almost scary:
>  - if there is a pointer cast, that pointer cast invalidates all
>    type-based alias information.

I think it's pretty obvious this is the wrong thing to do.

Sure, it does the right thing (for a narrow definition of "right
thing") if your code always uses hairy expressions where all the
nastiness is jumbled in one expression.

If you do the same type tricks but use intermediate variables to
improve readability, you lose.  In fact, simply taking an expression
and decomposing it into constituent parts can change the behavior of
code under this rule.  Absolutely horrible.

Unless you're suggesting data flow analysis to figure out which
pointers values could have been derived from a casted pointer??? ick,
ick, ick.

-Tim

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Tim Hollebeek <tim@wfn-shop.princeton.edu>
To: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
Cc: craig@jcb-sc.com, davem@redhat.com, mark@codesourcery.com,
	chip@perlsupport.com, egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: Linux and aliasing?
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:43:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199906041539.LAA27085@wagner.Princeton.EDU> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990630154300.Dqe-O2BskWOULnI1hed_t5HMVdADbb6VlRlvyLttoEg@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990603223919.10858E-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds writes ...
> 
> But it should be reasonably easy to implement very straightforward rules,
> and have the rules themselves make common sense ;)
> 
> The extremely straightforward rule that at least I would advocate is _so_
> straightforward as to be almost scary:
>  - if there is a pointer cast, that pointer cast invalidates all
>    type-based alias information.

I think it's pretty obvious this is the wrong thing to do.

Sure, it does the right thing (for a narrow definition of "right
thing") if your code always uses hairy expressions where all the
nastiness is jumbled in one expression.

If you do the same type tricks but use intermediate variables to
improve readability, you lose.  In fact, simply taking an expression
and decomposing it into constituent parts can change the behavior of
code under this rule.  Absolutely horrible.

Unless you're suggesting data flow analysis to figure out which
pointers values could have been derived from a casted pointer??? ick,
ick, ick.

-Tim

  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-06-04  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 218+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-03 10:23 Chip Salzenberg
1999-06-03 10:37 ` mark
1999-06-03 11:26   ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 12:03     ` mark
1999-06-03 12:25       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 20:06         ` craig
1999-06-03 23:03           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-03 23:45             ` mark
1999-06-04  0:04               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  1:08                 ` Branko Cibej
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Branko Cibej
1999-06-04  1:24                 ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04  1:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  5:46                     ` craig
1999-06-04  7:22                       ` burley (was Re: Linux and aliasing?) Mark Hahn
1999-06-04  8:16                         ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Mark Hahn
1999-06-04  8:35                       ` Linux and aliasing? Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 10:04                         ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 10:22                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 10:31                             ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 10:53                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Joe Buck
1999-07-11 10:55                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-07-31 23:33                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 11:11                             ` Toon Moene
1999-06-04 12:20                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-05  5:45                                 ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05  6:23                                   ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-05 10:32                                     ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 13:26                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 19:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06  1:18                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-06 10:46                                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:56                                             ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-06 19:24                                               ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                                                 ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-06 22:23                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                               ` <199906070645.IAA00615@mira.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de>
1999-06-07  2:14                                                 ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-07  8:02                                                   ` mark
1999-06-07  8:41                                                     ` David S. Miller
1999-06-07  9:24                                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-07  9:29                                                         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                           ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-07  9:32                                                       ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                                         ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                                       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                                     ` mark
1999-06-07 13:11                                                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                                   ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Jason Merrill
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 18:48                                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 10:37                                     ` mark
1999-06-05 11:09                                       ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 12:11                                         ` Toon Moene
1999-06-05 12:21                                           ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 16:51                                             ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Toon Moene
1999-06-07  6:01                                         ` Joern Rennecke
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Joern Rennecke
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-05 11:35                                       ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-05 12:41                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-05 14:43                                         ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-05 16:53                                         ` mark
1999-06-07  2:36                                           ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-07  8:04                                             ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-06 23:12                                   ` f77 vs type based alias analysis Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-06 23:20                                   ` Linux and aliasing? Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` Toon Moene
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-05  4:05                               ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Toon Moene
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 11:49                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 13:03                             ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
1999-06-04 13:13                               ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 12:59                           ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-04 13:29                             ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04 13:39                               ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` Joe Buck
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Joe Buck
1999-06-04  5:47                 ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` craig
1999-06-04  7:11                 ` mark
1999-06-04  8:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` mark
1999-06-04  8:41                 ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-04  8:53                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` mark
1999-06-04  5:47             ` craig
1999-06-04  8:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  8:49                 ` craig
1999-06-04  8:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04  9:02                     ` Jean-Pierre Radley
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` Jean-Pierre Radley
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` craig
1999-06-04  8:39             ` Tim Hollebeek [this message]
1999-06-04  8:55               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-04 15:20                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-05  9:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 11:00                     ` mark
1999-06-06 10:30                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 10:44                         ` mark
1999-06-06 14:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:41                             ` mark
1999-06-07  8:58                               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07  9:18                                 ` mark
1999-06-07  9:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07  9:38                                     ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-07 10:05                                       ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-07 10:44                                       ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-07 11:22                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-08  1:34                                           ` Nick Ing-Simmons
1999-06-08  1:48                                             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                             ` Nick Ing-Simmons
1999-06-30 15:43                                           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                       ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-30 15:43                                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` mark
1999-06-07 13:34                                 ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                   ` Jamie Lokier
1999-06-30 15:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                               ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` Tim Hollebeek
1999-06-04 15:02             ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-04 16:50               ` Bernd Schmidt
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Bernd Schmidt
1999-06-05  9:35               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 13:34                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-05 18:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-05 21:38                   ` Jakub Jelinek
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Jakub Jelinek
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43               ` Richard Henderson
1999-06-30 15:43             ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-03 23:53           ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43             ` Martin v. Loewis
     [not found]           ` <v04205101b37d700fbf8d@[192.168.1.254]>
1999-06-04  7:01             ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43               ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43           ` craig
1999-06-30 15:43         ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 13:31       ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43         ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43       ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43     ` David S. Miller
1999-06-03 12:02   ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-03 15:38     ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43       ` Martin v. Loewis
1999-06-30 15:43     ` Andi Kleen
1999-06-30 15:43   ` mark
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Chip Salzenberg
1999-06-04 11:54 Mike Stump
1999-06-04 12:13 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-04 13:25   ` Sylvain Pion
1999-06-04 13:32     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43     ` Sylvain Pion
1999-06-30 15:43   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Mike Stump
1999-06-06 15:08 Ross Harvey
1999-06-06 15:46 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-30 15:43   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-06-06 17:29 ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43   ` David S. Miller
1999-06-30 15:43 ` Ross Harvey

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