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From: Jeffrey A Law <law@cygnus.com>
To: Marc Espie <espie@quatramaran.ens.fr>
Cc: egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:02:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17210.937493308@upchuck.cygnus.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990930180200.Idje8d7GDWuXExHd3jH9e30gDcnmg3D5FVUmZWfvB1s@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <199909161441.QAA03626@quatramaran.ens.fr>

  In message < 199909161441.QAA03626@quatramaran.ens.fr >you write:
  > >Quite simply, the USER_H overrides are wrong and must go.  Period.
  > 
  > No, there are two issues at work.
  > 
  > I concur that, if the end user want to fiddle with a newer gcc snapshot,
  > USER_H is in the way.
  > 
  > HOWEVER, from the OpenBSD release point of view, we want to go on fixing
  > include files, and provide our own.
  > 
  > I believe that both goals are not contradictory. Specifically, when 
  > installed as the system compiler, gcc WILL use the system includes, and
  > it should work with them.   If fixincludes has to tweak those headers,
  > OR if gcc should head its own headers, well... then it's a bug in our
  > system headers, and we want to fix that...  worse than that: it's a deadly
  > bug; there are parts of the system, such as the kernel, which are built
  > -nostdinc, and which desperately need the system headers to be correct.
No.  Absolutely not.  Overriding USER_H is wrong. Period.  No ifs, ands or
buts.

It will go away.  I strongly recommend you stop using it.

Like so many of the other braindamaged things you're doing because you think
things need to work "specially" because gcc can be the system compiler are
dumb and can be easily avoided.  By not doing all those dumb and special things
I think you'll find that over time that things will "just work" instead of
having to continually tweak it.

I'll repeat, overriding USER_H is absolutely and completely wrong in all
situations.  Period.  This is not subject to debate.


jeff

  reply	other threads:[~1999-09-30 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-09-14 19:32 Wes Morgan
1999-09-14 20:08 ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-15  2:00   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02   ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-14 22:34 ` Loren James Rittle
1999-09-14 23:00   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-14 23:14     ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  0:25       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  0:56         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:21           ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-15  1:40             ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  2:23               ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-15  3:11                 ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  3:52                   ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-20  3:58               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:17         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  9:23           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15 10:24             ` David O'Brien
1999-09-16 14:48               ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-30 18:02               ` David O'Brien
1999-09-20  4:20             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-21  6:33               ` The USER_H issue Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02               ` FreeBSD 4.0 Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20  4:34           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-20  9:26             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20  9:55               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-20 10:17                 ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20 10:38                   ` Richard Earnshaw
1999-09-20 11:02                     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20 11:39                     ` Horst von Brand
1999-09-20 11:49                       ` Chris G. Demetriou
1999-09-30 18:02                         ` Chris G. Demetriou
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Horst von Brand
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Richard Earnshaw
1999-09-23  8:51                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-23  9:13                     ` Pending Projects Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` FreeBSD 4.0 Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  2:00       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-15  2:25         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  2:33           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
     [not found]         ` <37DFAD27.3E6A25E3@datadesign.com>
     [not found]           ` <199909152042.PAA29374@latour.rsch.comm.mot.com>
1999-09-15 14:26             ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-15 17:10               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-16  1:46                 ` Marc Espie
1999-09-16  6:57                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-16  7:41                     ` Marc Espie
1999-09-16  7:55                       ` Jeffrey A Law [this message]
1999-09-30 18:02                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02       ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:59     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  7:42   ` Wes Morgan
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Wes Morgan
1999-09-30 18:02   ` Loren James Rittle
1999-09-30 18:02 ` Wes Morgan
1999-09-16 12:42 Mike Stump
1999-09-30 18:02 ` Mike Stump
1999-09-16 13:13 Mike Stump
1999-09-16 13:36 ` Marc Espie
1999-09-16 13:54   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02   ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02 ` Mike Stump
1999-09-20 13:43 Mike Stump
1999-09-30 18:02 ` Mike Stump
2000-06-08 12:42 Conerned about lack of detail in ChangeLog/commit messges David O'Brien
2000-06-08 15:18 ` Martin v. Loewis
2000-06-09  8:30 ` David Edelsohn
2000-06-09  8:51   ` David O'Brien
2000-06-09  9:13     ` Nick Burrett
2000-06-09  9:21       ` David O'Brien
2000-06-11  6:38       ` Marc Espie
2001-05-02 18:21 [PATCH] rs6000.c ELF bits inclusion David O'Brien
2001-05-02 20:07 ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-02 20:32   ` David O'Brien
2001-05-02 20:52     ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-03  0:39       ` David O'Brien
2001-05-03 13:17 ` David O'Brien
2001-05-03 16:04   ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-03 19:11     ` David O'Brien

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