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From: Marc Espie <espie@quatramaran.ens.fr>
To: law@cygnus.com
Cc: egcs@egcs.cygnus.com
Subject: The USER_H issue
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:02:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199909211330.PAA19350@quatramaran.ens.fr> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990930180200.qSkrvZtLDCOcwKpsOOjTXajwsxxw37senbRpI_0hFwo@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <564.937826241@upchuck.cygnus.com>

In article < 564.937826241@upchuck.cygnus.com > you write:
>  In message < 199909151623.JAA02391@zack.bitmover.com >you write:
>  > > There are no GCC headers in my base system.  We've never needed them, and
>  > > there are copyright issues anyway.

>  > Do you have your own stdarg.h too?
>They may have their own stdarg.h, but we should not be using it.  We should
>be using the gcc supplied stdarg.h & varargs.h.  This is related to the who
>thread about how a port should never, ever override USER_H.

I'm sorry, but you keep saying overriding USER_H is wrong, even for
distributors, and I keep telling you that we will end up with two distinct
sets of headers, one for the system proper, and another `special' one for
gcc.

As far as the OpenBSD project is concerned, this is more efficient for us
to rely on our own headers, and tweak the system installation so that those
get used and debugged, instead of having two separate compilers with distinct
sets of bugs...

Please do tell me what's in it for us to remove the USER_H overrides.
I understand that this means simpler maintenance for the gcc project, but
it looks like it only has drawbacks for the OpenBSD project as far as
maintenance is concerned: we just get those `generic' headers with hundreds
of tweaks that don't apply to us, we will probably get some hard to debug
interaction bugs at some point.  It really looks simpler and more robust
to just rely on our own headers and make sure those work.

Not to say you can convince me, but you will have to use real, 
logical arguments, something more convincing than 
`overriding USER_H is wrong'.

  reply	other threads:[~1999-09-30 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-09-14 19:32 FreeBSD 4.0 Wes Morgan
1999-09-14 20:08 ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-15  2:00   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02   ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-14 22:34 ` Loren James Rittle
1999-09-14 23:00   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-14 23:14     ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  0:25       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  0:56         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:21           ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-15  1:40             ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  2:23               ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-15  3:11                 ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  3:52                   ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-20  3:58               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Andreas Schwab
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:17         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  9:23           ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15 10:24             ` David O'Brien
1999-09-16 14:48               ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Richard Henderson
1999-09-30 18:02               ` David O'Brien
1999-09-20  4:20             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-21  6:33               ` Marc Espie [this message]
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` The USER_H issue Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02               ` FreeBSD 4.0 Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20  4:34           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-20  9:26             ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20  9:55               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-20 10:17                 ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20 10:38                   ` Richard Earnshaw
1999-09-20 11:02                     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-20 11:39                     ` Horst von Brand
1999-09-20 11:49                       ` Chris G. Demetriou
1999-09-30 18:02                         ` Chris G. Demetriou
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Horst von Brand
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Richard Earnshaw
1999-09-23  8:51                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-23  9:13                     ` Pending Projects Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` FreeBSD 4.0 Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
1999-09-30 18:02         ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  2:00       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-15  2:25         ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  2:33           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02           ` David O'Brien
     [not found]         ` <37DFAD27.3E6A25E3@datadesign.com>
     [not found]           ` <199909152042.PAA29374@latour.rsch.comm.mot.com>
1999-09-15 14:26             ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-15 17:10               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-16  1:46                 ` Marc Espie
1999-09-16  6:57                   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-16  7:41                     ` Marc Espie
1999-09-16  7:55                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                       ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02                   ` Marc Espie
1999-09-30 18:02                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02               ` Bruce Korb
1999-09-30 18:02         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02       ` David O'Brien
1999-09-15  1:59     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Zack Weinberg
1999-09-15  7:42   ` Wes Morgan
1999-09-30 18:02     ` Wes Morgan
1999-09-30 18:02   ` Loren James Rittle
1999-09-30 18:02 ` Wes Morgan
2000-06-08 12:42 Conerned about lack of detail in ChangeLog/commit messges David O'Brien
2000-06-08 15:18 ` Martin v. Loewis
2000-06-09  8:30 ` David Edelsohn
2000-06-09  8:51   ` David O'Brien
2000-06-09  9:13     ` Nick Burrett
2000-06-09  9:21       ` David O'Brien
2000-06-11  6:38       ` Marc Espie
2001-05-02 18:21 [PATCH] rs6000.c ELF bits inclusion David O'Brien
2001-05-02 20:07 ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-02 20:32   ` David O'Brien
2001-05-02 20:52     ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-03  0:39       ` David O'Brien
2001-05-03 13:17 ` David O'Brien
2001-05-03 16:04   ` David Edelsohn
2001-05-03 19:11     ` David O'Brien

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