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From: Geoff Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org>
To: mark@codesourcery.com
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: SC confidentiality
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:00:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011220358.TAA03786@geoffk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001121150626J.mitchell@codesourcery.com>

> From: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:06:26 -0800

> >>>>> "Geoff" == Geoff Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org> writes:
> 
>     Geoff> Are there records of such debates anywhere?  Minutes of
>     Geoff> meetings, mailing list archives, etc.?
> 
> Not to my knowledge.
> 
> I believe that in general the details of SC discussions are considered
> confidential in order to encourage frank exchanges of ideas among the
> SC members.  I could be wrong about that, but that's how I've always
> treated other people's SC postings.  If I'm right, that would make
> releasing any such archives inappropriate.

I would strongly argue that this is a bad practise.

* The job of the SC is to help the maintainers by setting policy for
  the future development of gcc.  This will be much easier for the
  maintainers if the reasons behind the policy decisions can be
  explained and the arguments considered when making those decisions
  are available.

* The members of the SC are representing various facets of the
  community of GCC users.  Unless their positions are public,
  the community can give no feedback on whether those positions
  are actually shared by the community.

* This is particularly important given the possibilty of a conflict of
  interest, since many of the SC members are also affiliated with
  various companies which have their own interests in the development
  of GCC.  A closed discussion allows allegations to be made and
  heard, even by those with obvious biases, which would be laughed at
  if the discussion were open.

Of course, prior discussions which were made in the belief that they
were confidential should not be disclosed, but for the future I urge
the SC to make its discussion open.

-- 
- Geoffrey Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-11-21 20:00 UTC|newest]

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1999-02-01  8:23                     ` A Lisp compiler? Matthew X. Economou
1999-02-01  9:29                       ` Ken Raeburn
1999-02-02 15:44                         ` Matthew X. Economou
     [not found]                           ` < w4ou2x4jrke.fsf@nemesis.irtnog.org >
1999-02-02 16:14                             ` [Meta] " Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Matthew X. Economou
1999-02-19 23:14                         ` Matthias Hölzl
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Matthias Hölzl
1999-02-28 22:53                         ` Ken Raeburn
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Matthew X. Economou
1999-02-27 21:39                     ` Confirmed template parsing bug: bug in error message generation Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-01  0:02                       ` Alexandre Oliva
     [not found]                         ` < oriuclljxv.fsf@araguaia.dcc.unicamp.br >
1999-03-02  8:43                           ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                             ` < 3.0.6.32.19990302114234.0086bd80@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-03-02  9:26                               ` Robert Lipe
1999-03-31 23:46                                 ` Robert Lipe
1999-03-02 22:22                             ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                               ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-31 23:46                         ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-02-28 19:05                     ` Possible egcs-1.1.2-pre2 configure problem on HP-UX 9.04 rodneybrown
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` rodneybrown
1999-03-01  9:05                       ` Alexandre Oliva
     [not found]                         ` < orogmdf8jw.fsf@araguaia.dcc.unicamp.br >
1999-03-01  9:14                           ` Franz Sirl
1999-03-01  9:32                             ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                               ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                             ` Franz Sirl
1999-03-31 23:46                         ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-01  9:18                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-03-31 23:46                         ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                     ` <(EST)>
1999-06-25 17:54                       ` Occasional use of GNU ld problems Brad Lucier
1999-06-29  2:06                         ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-29  2:20                           ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-30 15:43                             ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-30 15:43                           ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                         ` Brad Lucier
     [not found]                 ` <04:47:24>
     [not found]                   ` <-0800>
1999-02-12  3:00                     ` C++ default copy ctor not optimal Sylvain Pion
     [not found]                       ` < 19990212120037.C13091@rigel.inria.fr >
1999-02-12  4:46                         ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Sylvain Pion
     [not found]                       ` <19990212134607.F13091.cygnus.egcs@rigel.inria.fr>
1999-02-12 13:41                         ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                           ` <3.0.6.32.19990212172607.00844860.cygnus.egcs@pop.netaddress.com>
1999-02-12 15:27                             ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                           ` < u9d83fl2q8.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-12 14:26                             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-14 10:57                             ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-14 21:01                               ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                                 ` < u9iud4jm52.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-15 17:15                                   ` Richard Henderson
     [not found]                                     ` < 19990215171524.A19063@cygnus.com >
1999-02-15 20:14                                       ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]                                         ` < 14555.919137968@upchuck >
1999-02-15 21:39                                           ` Richard Henderson
     [not found]                                             ` < 19990215213927.A19254@cygnus.com >
1999-02-16  0:10                                               ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                                                 ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                                             ` Richard Henderson
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-16 10:08                                       ` Joe Buck
     [not found]                                         ` < 199902161807.KAA19010@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-16 10:18                                           ` Richard Henderson
     [not found]                                             ` < 19990216101811.A19900@cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 10:33                                               ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                                                 ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                                             ` Richard Henderson
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53                                     ` Richard Henderson
1999-02-28 22:53                                 ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Sylvain Pion
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Sylvain Pion
     [not found]                     ` <3.0.6.32.19990212180551.00841100.cygnus.egcs@pop.netaddress.com>
1999-02-12 15:29                       ` Code gen question Jason Merrill
     [not found]                         ` < u990e3kxq8.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-12 17:34                           ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                             ` < 3.0.6.32.19990212203311.0083e6d0@pop.netaddress.com >
1999-02-12 17:39                               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                                 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                         ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-24 16:27                     ` Question about compiler-supplied assignment and copy with egcs Mike Stump
     [not found]                       ` < 199902250026.QAA04615@kankakee.wrs.com >
1999-02-25 22:31                         ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                       ` <3.0.6.32.19990226013110.0083c530.cygnus.egcs@pop.globalserve.net>
1999-02-25 22:45                         ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                           ` < u91zjdirxx.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-27 21:01                             ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                               ` < 3.0.6.32.19990228000118.00923340@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-02-27 21:58                                 ` Question about compiler-supplied assignment and copy with Joe Buck
     [not found]                                   ` < 199902280557.VAA14849@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-27 23:29                                     ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                                       ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                                   ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Question about compiler-supplied assignment and copy with egcs Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                           ` <3.0.6.32.19990228000118.00923340.cygnus.egcs@pop.globalserve.net>
1999-02-27 23:55                             ` Jason Merrill
     [not found]                               ` < u9yalj7yin.fsf@yorick.cygnus.com >
1999-02-28  1:10                                 ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28  2:51                                   ` Tudor Hulubei
     [not found]                                     ` < 14041.8114.947193.298212@hal.ttlc.net >
1999-02-28  4:36                                       ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                                         ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                                     ` Tudor Hulubei
1999-02-28 22:53                                   ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-01  2:28                                   ` Gerald Pfeifer
1999-03-31 23:46                                     ` Gerald Pfeifer
1999-02-28 22:53                               ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                           ` Jason Merrill
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Mike Stump
2000-11-19 13:03                     ` Removal of V2 code Mark Mitchell
2000-11-19 17:10                       ` Geoff Keating
     [not found]                         ` <Mark>
2000-11-19 17:24                         ` Christopher Faylor
2000-11-19 17:56                         ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-19 20:24                           ` Geoff Keating
2000-11-19 21:52                             ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-19 22:12                               ` Geoff Keating
2000-11-19 22:33                                 ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-20  1:07                                 ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-20  2:11                                   ` Geoff Keating
2000-11-21 10:56                                 ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-21 12:20                                   ` Benjamin Kosnik
2000-11-21 12:45                                     ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-21 12:37                                   ` Geoff Keating
2000-11-21 12:47                                     ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-20  2:54                         ` Franz Sirl
2000-11-21  6:38                           ` Franz Sirl
2000-11-21  7:26                             ` Daniel Berlin
2000-11-20  0:41                       ` Andrew Cagney
2000-11-20  0:55                         ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-20  3:32                           ` Marc Espie
2000-11-20  5:53                             ` Joseph S. Myers
2000-11-20  8:34                             ` Mark Mitchell
     [not found]                           ` <00112021562300.00259@hallo>
2000-11-20 14:58                             ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-21 14:14                               ` Geoff Keating
2000-11-21 15:06                                 ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-21 16:08                                   ` Tom Tromey
2000-11-21 17:21                                     ` 2.95.3 (was Re: Removal of V2 code) Joe Buck
2000-11-22 13:55                                       ` Tom Tromey
2000-11-21 21:41                                     ` Removal of V2 code Mark Mitchell
2000-11-21 20:00                                   ` Geoff Keating [this message]
2000-11-21 21:57                                     ` SC confidentiality Mark Mitchell
     [not found]                 ` <08:25:39>
     [not found]                   ` <-0700>
2001-05-09  9:58                     ` Automake and friends and fastjar Mark Klein
2001-05-09 12:08                       ` Tom Tromey
2001-05-09 12:15                         ` Mark Klein
     [not found]         ` <"Fri,>
     [not found]           ` <11>
     [not found]             ` <Jun>
     [not found]               ` <2000>
     [not found]                 ` <10:30:29>
     [not found]                   ` <-0400>
2000-06-29  7:30                     ` SSA implementation David Dolan
2000-06-29 11:59                       ` Geoff Keating
2000-06-29 12:07                         ` Errors from Gcc Matt Minnis
2000-06-29 13:43                           ` Martin v. Loewis
2000-06-29 12:11                         ` SSA implementation Mark Mitchell
2000-06-29 12:24                           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2000-07-05 11:52                     ` PowerPC code generation David J Schinsing
2000-07-05 12:15                       ` David Young
2000-07-05 12:57                         ` gcc and struct passing in function arguments? David Young
2000-07-05 13:09                           ` Michael Meissner
2000-07-05 14:00                             ` Joern Rennecke
2000-07-05 13:50                           ` Alan Lehotsky
2000-07-05 13:26                       ` PowerPC code generation Geoff Keating
2000-07-05 13:53                         ` Franz Sirl
2000-07-05 14:20                           ` Michael Meissner
2000-07-05 14:36                           ` Geoff Keating
2000-07-05 19:54                             ` David Edelsohn
     [not found]         ` <25>
     [not found]           ` <May>
     [not found]             ` <2001>
     [not found]               ` <10:06:51>
     [not found]                 ` <+0300>
2001-06-07 18:27                   ` Another RFC: regex in libiberty DJ Delorie
2001-06-07 18:31                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2001-06-07 18:33                       ` DJ Delorie
2001-06-07 18:43                         ` Ian Lance Taylor
2001-06-08  0:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-06-08  9:18                       ` Mark Mitchell
2001-06-08  9:59                       ` Zack Weinberg
2001-06-08 10:05                         ` H . J . Lu
2001-06-08 10:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-06-08 10:39                             ` H . J . Lu
2001-06-08 10:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-06-11 22:50                       ` Jim Blandy
2001-06-11 23:51                         ` Randall R Schulz
2001-06-12  6:48                         ` Jim Blandy
2001-06-09 13:34                     ` Andrew Cagney
2000-11-22  5:25 SC confidentiality Richard Kenner
     [not found] <19990608202201.F17154@admin3.jump.net>
     [not found] ` <org142xios.fsf@saci.lsd.dcc.unicamp.br>
     [not found]   ` <3761d206.15532319@mailer.gwdg.de>
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1999-06-10 16:01           ` libs/csengine/basic/polyset.cpp:46: Internal compiler error 191 Philipp Thomas
1999-06-30 15:43             ` Philipp Thomas
     [not found]           ` <376b1082.25172596@mailer.gwdg.de>
1999-06-10 17:18             ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-10 17:50               ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-12 16:02                 ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-15  4:11                   ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-15  4:54                     ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                       ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                     ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-30 15:43                   ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-06-30 15:43                 ` Franz Sirl
1999-06-30 15:43               ` Alexandre Oliva
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-05-20 21:06 assemble_external on .class files Mark Klein
1999-05-22 14:23 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-22 15:28   ` Mark Klein
1999-05-31 21:36     ` Mark Klein
1999-05-25 18:33   ` Mark Klein
1999-05-25 19:41     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-25 21:00       ` Per Bothner
1999-05-25 21:50         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-25 22:19           ` Mark Klein
1999-05-25 22:24             ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-31 21:36               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-25 22:49             ` Per Bothner
1999-05-31 14:53               ` Mark Klein
1999-05-31 21:36                 ` Mark Klein
1999-05-31 21:36               ` Per Bothner
1999-05-31 21:36             ` Mark Klein
1999-05-31 21:36           ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-31 21:36         ` Per Bothner
1999-05-31 21:36       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-31 21:36     ` Mark Klein
1999-05-31 21:36   ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-05-31 21:36 ` Mark Klein
1999-02-24 15:13 Bug in libm or libstdc++ Paul Derbyshire
     [not found] ` < 3.0.6.32.19990222090333.00847df0@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-02-24 15:34   ` Joe Buck
     [not found]     ` < 199902242332.PAA09334@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-25 22:25       ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]         ` < 3.0.6.32.19990226012513.008e5450@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-02-26 10:38           ` Joe Buck
     [not found]             ` < 199902261836.KAA17757@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-26 22:21               ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                 ` < 3.0.6.32.19990227012120.0084e180@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-02-27  9:40                   ` Marc Espie
     [not found]                     ` < 199902271740.SAA14323@quatramaran.ens.fr >
1999-02-27 20:45                       ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                         ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-01  0:19                         ` Alexandre Oliva
     [not found]                           ` < ord82tlj4l.fsf@araguaia.dcc.unicamp.br >
1999-03-02  7:58                             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-02 23:08                               ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-03-31 23:46                               ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-31 23:46                           ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-02-28 22:53                     ` Marc Espie
1999-02-28 22:53                 ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53             ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53         ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53     ` Joe Buck
1999-02-24 15:42   ` Bob McWhirter
     [not found]     ` < Pine.LNX.3.96.990224183714.7438r-100000@exeter.exeter.org >
1999-02-25 22:20       ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]         ` <199902261635.LAA23787@wagner.Princeton.EDU>
1999-02-27 19:08           ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-01  8:30             ` Joern Rennecke
     [not found]               ` < 199903011630.QAA00110@phal.cygnus.co.uk >
1999-03-02  8:04                 ` Paul Derbyshire
     [not found]                   ` < 3.0.6.32.19990302110405.00945870@pop.globalserve.net >
1999-03-02  8:38                     ` Joern Rennecke
1999-03-31 23:46                       ` Joern Rennecke
1999-03-31 23:46                   ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-03-31 23:46               ` Joern Rennecke
     [not found]         ` <Pine.SUN.3.91.990228142826.5950V-100000@is>
1999-02-28  4:57           ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53         ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53     ` Bob McWhirter
1999-02-28 22:53 ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-01-31 22:09 [Meta] Enough of the "egcs.cygnus.com" already! Paul Derbyshire
1999-01-31 22:14 ` CaT
1999-01-31 22:24   ` Bob McWhirter
1999-01-31 22:50     ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-01  2:01       ` Franz Sirl
     [not found]         ` < 4.1.19990201105045.054320e0@mail.lauterbach.com >
1999-02-01 15:53           ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53             ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
1999-02-28 22:53             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53         ` Franz Sirl
1999-01-31 23:12 ` Ken Raeburn
1999-02-01  7:13 ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-01  7:27   ` Alexandre Oliva
     [not found]     ` < or4sp6b12f.fsf@araguaia.dcc.unicamp.br >
1999-02-01  7:30       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-01  7:35         ` Alexandre Oliva
     [not found]           ` < or1zkab0ou.fsf@araguaia.dcc.unicamp.br >
1999-02-01  7:50             ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found]               ` < 3391.917883892@hurl.cygnus.com >
1999-02-01  8:23                 ` Joe Buck
     [not found]                   ` < 199902011621.IAA00385@atrus.synopsys.com >
1999-02-01  8:24                     ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-01 16:03                     ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                       ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53                   ` postmaster
1999-02-28 22:53                   ` Joe Buck
1999-02-28 22:53               ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-01 15:58             ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53               ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53           ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-02-01  7:59         ` Ken Raeburn
1999-02-28 22:53           ` Ken Raeburn
1999-02-28 22:53         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-13 10:47       ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53         ` Jeffrey A Law
1999-02-28 22:53     ` Alexandre Oliva
1999-02-28 22:53   ` Jeffrey A Law
     [not found] ` <19990201200631.A227@tardis.ed.ac.uk>
1999-02-01 15:31   ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-28 22:53     ` Paul Derbyshire
1999-02-03 12:05 ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
1999-02-28 22:53   ` Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
     [not found] <Paul>
     [not found] <Brad>
     [not found] <Eli>
     [not found] <Ken>
     [not found] <David>
     [not found] ` <J>
     [not found] <Franz>

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