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From: Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au>
To: Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: forcing tail/sibling call optimization
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:40:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001127124023.A1051@hg.cs.mu.oz.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2zoimmsxe.fsf@kelso.bothner.com>

On 26-Nov-2000, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> wrote:
> I'm concerned that on many machines the default calling convention
> may make tail-call optimization difficult.  To make tail-call
> optimization practical (or at least efficient) you may want to use
> a non-default calling convention.

For compiling functional/logic languages to C, it's important to
get tail-call optimization, even if the code isn't efficient.

Making it efficient is desirable, of course, but I would like some
way to tell the C compiler to generate a tail call, even if this
is going to be slower than an ordinary call, so that we can get
O(1) stack space usage.

(I understand that implementing that in all possible cases is not
easy, that's why my specification defined it as a hint, with a warning
if the hint can't be applied.  However, in the long term it would be
nice if all the places where that warning is issued could be fixed
to instead generate appropriate code.)

> Specifically, the traditional C calling convention has the caller
> pop the arguments from the stack after the function returns.  This
> is needed to handle varags.  Safe and efficient tail-call
> elimination assumes the callee pops the arguments.
>
> This means that syntax associated with the call site is not enough.
>
> You also (or instead) need some annotation when the called function
> is compiled.

Providing alternative calling conventions which make tail calls
more efficient is a good idea.  However, I think the `__tailcall'
extension is useful even without it.  I think the two are separate
features, and I would like to add `__tailcall' support to GNU C
without waiting for appropriate alternative calling conventions to be
implemented.

Is that OK?

-- 
Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au>  |  "I have always known that the pursuit
                                    |  of excellence is a lethal habit"
WWW: < http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh >  |     -- the last words of T. S. Garp.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-11-26 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-26  5:00 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26  7:44 ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26  8:18   ` Bernd Schmidt
2000-11-26  9:55   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-26 11:34   ` Per Bothner
2000-11-26 11:55     ` Mark Probst
2000-11-26 17:40     ` Fergus Henderson [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-29  4:58 Robert Dewar
2000-11-27 15:33 Mike Stump
2000-11-27 10:04 Robert Dewar
2000-11-27  9:39 Geert Bosch
2000-11-27 12:06 ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-27  9:08 Robert Dewar
2000-11-27  9:14 ` Bernd Schmidt
2000-11-27 10:09   ` Michael Matz
2000-11-27  8:44 Robert Dewar
2000-11-27  9:44 ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-27 10:22   ` Mark Probst
2000-11-27 14:42     ` Harvey J. Stein
2000-11-27 16:07       ` Mark Probst
2000-11-27 14:30   ` Harvey J. Stein
2000-11-26 18:09 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26 15:46 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26 16:21 ` Joseph S. Myers
2000-11-26 18:08 ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26 21:50 ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-26 15:27 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26 17:56 ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26 10:59 Timothy J. Wood
2000-11-26  9:12 Geert Bosch
2000-11-26  8:21 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26 13:51 ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26  8:14 Robert Dewar
2000-11-26 13:43 ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-27  7:58 ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-27  8:05   ` David Edelsohn
2000-11-27  8:07   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-27  8:25     ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-27  8:39       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-27  9:48         ` Jeffrey A Law
2000-11-27 11:21           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2000-11-27 10:54         ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-27  8:38     ` Bernd Schmidt
2000-11-27 11:26       ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-27 10:48     ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-27 12:46       ` Harvey J. Stein
2000-11-27 13:02         ` Travis Moulton
2000-11-27 10:47   ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-28 19:21     ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-29  2:09       ` Mark Mitchell
2000-11-30 23:59         ` Fergus Henderson
2000-12-01 15:51           ` Joe Buck
2001-01-03 12:24             ` Fergus Henderson
2001-01-03 13:09               ` Richard Henderson
2001-01-03 14:59                 ` Fergus Henderson
2001-01-03 15:32                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-01-03 15:53                     ` Fergus Henderson
2001-01-03 16:11                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-01-03 16:36                         ` Fergus Henderson
2002-09-14 23:35                   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-09-16  9:26                     ` Richard Henderson
2000-11-27 23:39   ` Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26  3:56 Fergus Henderson
2000-11-26  5:22 ` Mark Probst

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