From: Jan Hubicka <jh@suse.cz>
To: Tim Prince <tprince@computer.org>
Cc: Jan Hubicka <jh@suse.cz>, Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>,
Joern Rennecke <amylaar@redhat.com>,
gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 06:33:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010729153107.C3548@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <004501c117f4$84a48c80$9865fea9@timayum4srqln4>
>
> This optimization is specifically permitted for appropriate data types
> by the Fortran standard, with the reservation that parentheses employed
> to prevent re-association must be observed. As gcc is unable to
> distinguish between the expressions (a/b)/c and a/b/c, this optimization
> would violate the standard in the former case, so is undesirable for
> enabling under -ffast-math.
Our documentation of -ffast-math seems to be wondefully incomplette:
This option causes the preprocessor macro @code{__FAST_MATH__} to be defined.
This option should never be turned on by any @option{-O} option since
it can result in incorrect output for programs which depend on
an exact implementation of IEEE or ISO rules/specifications for
math functions.
But my understanding is, that -ffast-math allow compiler to do transformations
not strictly correct, but working in was majority of cases. The
transofrmations mentioned above looks like good example of these.
I would like to keep them under -ffast-math for simple purpose, that users
tends to know about -ffast-math and use it, but don't know about possibly new
functions. I believe that the typical usage of Joe user will be to try
"-ffast-math" and if don't work and he is really interested in the
perofrmance, he will try the suboptions.
GLIBC for instance does inlining of some math functions on -ffast-math that
gives inexact results.
I agree with idea of adding new options to control this feature, but as
options of -ffast-math, as the -funsafe-math-optimizations, -ftrapping-math
and -ferrno-math is currently implemented.
>
> When Honza and I first discussed this, and also the transformation
>
> for(i=0;i<n;++i)
> a[i]=b[i]/c;
>
> to
>
> for(i=0;i<n;++i)
> a[i]=b[i]*(1/c);
I've already implemented this transformation.
>
> I mentioned that these would put too many risks in the -ffast-math
> category. I would like to see -ffast-math permit only those
> optimizations outside of IEEE compliance which are generally expected
> (e.g. according to Fortran standard).
You do have experience with this options. Do you know examples of programs
where it fails?
For instance we already do reassociation with -ffast-math
>
> For gcc-3.1, I would like to see an additional switch to permit
> optimizations such as the ones on floating point division mentioned
> above. I don't care about the name, but it should be more mnemonic than
> the ones used by commercial compilers; something like -ffast-div.
This sounds resonable name. If no one complains, I will add it in the
sense mentioned above.
Honza
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2001-07-17 12:23 ` associative law in combine Jan Hubicka
2001-07-17 15:41 ` Dima Volodin
2001-07-17 15:59 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-18 1:01 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-18 1:47 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Jan Hubicka
2001-07-28 23:04 ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29 6:33 ` Jan Hubicka [this message]
2001-07-29 10:18 ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29 10:26 ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-29 12:11 ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29 12:17 ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-29 10:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-18 11:30 ` associative law in combine Joern Rennecke
2001-07-29 12:52 * Re: What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative lawin combine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 14:03 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Stephen L Moshier
2001-07-29 21:17 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Fergus Henderson
2001-07-30 0:23 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-29 14:22 dewar
2001-07-29 21:33 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30 14:43 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 15:45 ` Neil Booth
2001-07-30 16:03 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 16:11 ` Neil Booth
2001-07-30 16:28 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:08 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 19:22 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:29 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 19:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:54 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 19:27 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 5:57 dewar
2001-07-30 6:00 dewar
2001-07-30 13:08 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-30 6:01 dewar
2001-07-30 6:53 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-07-30 6:14 dewar
2001-07-30 8:30 ` Kevin Handy
2001-07-30 8:59 mike stump
2001-07-30 11:37 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30 11:53 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 18:40 ` Olivier Galibert
2001-07-30 19:06 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 1:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-31 2:04 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 2:35 ` Olivier Galibert
2001-07-31 2:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30 11:52 dewar
2001-07-30 12:26 dewar
2001-07-30 13:10 dewar
2001-07-30 15:29 dewar
2001-07-30 15:39 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-30 16:11 dewar
2001-07-30 16:29 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-31 8:13 ` Kevin Handy
2001-07-30 18:00 dewar
2001-07-30 18:25 ` Joe Buck
2001-07-30 18:02 dewar
2001-07-30 18:08 dewar
2001-07-30 18:38 dewar
2001-07-30 18:39 dewar
2001-07-30 19:46 dewar
2001-07-30 20:00 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 20:20 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 20:25 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 20:54 dewar
2001-07-30 21:11 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 21:39 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 21:13 dewar
2001-07-30 21:34 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 21:43 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 21:53 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-03 7:12 ` Nick Ing-Simmons
2001-08-01 8:55 ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01 9:15 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01 11:21 ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01 11:44 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01 9:24 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-08-01 9:54 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-08-01 10:26 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 11:13 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Alexandre Oliva
2001-08-01 11:36 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01 12:07 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-08-01 13:21 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 14:20 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-31 7:26 dewar
2001-07-31 15:57 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-31 21:55 ` Tim Prince
2001-08-03 6:12 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-07-31 7:59 mike stump
2001-07-31 8:19 mike stump
2001-07-31 8:35 dewar
2001-07-31 8:36 dewar
2001-07-31 8:36 mike stump
2001-07-31 8:37 dewar
2001-07-31 9:22 mike stump
2001-07-31 16:38 dewar
2001-07-31 17:37 dewar
2001-07-31 18:12 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-31 20:55 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 18:15 dewar
2001-07-31 18:20 dewar
2001-07-31 18:50 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-31 21:27 ` Tim Prince
2001-07-31 18:23 dewar
2001-07-31 19:10 dewar
2001-08-01 3:02 Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-08-01 6:04 dewar
2001-08-01 6:48 ` Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-08-03 0:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-01 6:52 dewar
2001-08-01 9:58 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 10:08 ` Wolfgang Bangerth
2001-08-01 11:12 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 11:27 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01 11:47 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-03 7:32 ` Nick Ing-Simmons
2001-08-03 6:01 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-08-01 9:59 dewar
2001-08-01 10:04 dewar
2001-08-01 10:28 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 10:05 dewar
2001-08-01 10:13 dewar
2001-08-01 10:38 dewar
2001-08-01 10:39 dewar
2001-08-01 12:06 Phil Edwards
2001-08-01 19:04 Carlo Wood
2001-08-02 3:37 Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-08-03 14:48 dewar
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