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From: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@codesourcery.com>,
	Theodore Papadopoulo <Theodore.Papadopoulo@sophia.inria.fr>,
	dewar@gnat.com, amylaar@redhat.com, aoliva@redhat.com,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org, moshier@moshier.ne.mediaone.net,
	tprince@computer.org
Subject: Re: What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:04:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010802040410.A25804@alinoe.com> (raw)

When I see a thread as long as this one, I always think:
here is some inefficient "communication" going on :p.
Allow me to give my 0.02.

> > Changing 0.125 to 0.0 is a dramatic change.

Some may think that dramatic changes are acceptable.

When an optimization results in

99%   of practical cases it is faster,
0.99% of practical cases it is slower and
0.01% of the cases it results in a dramatic change;

then that might be acceptable because the number
of cases were the difference is not dramatic and also
not close to the normal FP accuracy is 0%.

A dramatic change will be noted.  Developers have to watch
for overflow and underflow already anyway.

My definition of what is unacceptable is when an optimization
causes possibly errors for example in the 32th bit, while the
expected accuracy is 64 bit...

Imho, this difference (dramatic versus subtile) is would you
tried to discuss, but failed to make clear.

-- 
Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>

             reply	other threads:[~2001-08-01 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-01 19:04 Carlo Wood [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-03 14:48 dewar
2001-08-02  3:37 Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-08-01 12:06 Phil Edwards
2001-08-01 10:39 dewar
2001-08-01 10:38 dewar
2001-08-01 10:13 dewar
2001-08-01 10:05 dewar
2001-08-01 10:04 dewar
2001-08-01 10:28 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01  9:59 dewar
2001-08-01  9:58 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 10:08 ` Wolfgang Bangerth
2001-08-01 11:12   ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 11:27     ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01 11:47       ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-03  7:32         ` Nick Ing-Simmons
2001-08-03  6:01     ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-08-01  6:52 dewar
2001-08-01  6:04 dewar
2001-08-01  6:48 ` Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-08-03  0:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-01  3:02 Vincent Penquerc'h
2001-07-31 19:10 dewar
2001-07-31 18:23 dewar
2001-07-31 18:20 dewar
2001-07-31 18:50 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-31 21:27   ` Tim Prince
2001-07-31 18:15 dewar
2001-07-31 18:12 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-31 20:55 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 17:37 dewar
2001-07-31 16:38 dewar
2001-07-31  9:22 mike stump
2001-07-31  8:37 dewar
2001-07-31  8:36 dewar
2001-07-31  8:36 mike stump
2001-07-31  8:35 dewar
2001-07-31  8:19 mike stump
2001-07-31  7:59 mike stump
2001-07-31  7:26 dewar
2001-07-31 15:57 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-31 21:55   ` Tim Prince
2001-08-03  6:12 ` Per Abrahamsen
2001-07-30 21:13 dewar
2001-07-30 21:34 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 21:43   ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 21:53     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-03  7:12       ` Nick Ing-Simmons
2001-08-01  8:55   ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01  9:15     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01 11:21       ` Theodore Papadopoulo
2001-08-01 11:44         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01  9:24     ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-08-01  9:54       ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-08-01 10:26         ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 11:13           ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Alexandre Oliva
2001-08-01 11:36             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-08-01 12:07               ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-08-01 13:21                 ` Gabriel Dos_Reis
2001-08-01 14:20                   ` Toon Moene
2001-07-30 20:54 dewar
2001-07-30 21:11 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 21:39 ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 19:46 dewar
2001-07-30 20:00 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 20:20   ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 20:25     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 18:39 dewar
2001-07-30 18:38 dewar
2001-07-30 18:08 dewar
2001-07-30 18:02 dewar
2001-07-30 18:00 dewar
2001-07-30 18:25 ` Joe Buck
2001-07-30 16:11 dewar
2001-07-30 16:29 ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-31  8:13   ` Kevin Handy
2001-07-30 15:29 dewar
2001-07-30 15:39 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-30 13:10 dewar
2001-07-30 12:26 dewar
2001-07-30 11:52 dewar
2001-07-30 11:37 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30 11:53 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 18:40   ` Olivier Galibert
2001-07-30 19:06     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31  1:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-31  2:04     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31  2:35       ` Olivier Galibert
2001-07-31  2:58         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-31 18:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30  8:59 mike stump
2001-07-30  6:14 dewar
2001-07-30  8:30 ` Kevin Handy
2001-07-30  6:01 dewar
2001-07-30  6:53 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-07-30  6:00 dewar
2001-07-30 13:08 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-30  5:57 dewar
2001-07-29 21:33 What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-30 14:43 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 15:45   ` Neil Booth
2001-07-30 16:03     ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 16:11       ` Neil Booth
2001-07-30 16:28         ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:08   ` Joern Rennecke
2001-07-30 19:22     ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:29       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 19:34         ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-07-30 19:54           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-30 19:27     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-29 14:22 dewar
2001-07-29 12:52 * Re: What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative lawin combine) Linus Torvalds
2001-07-29 14:03 ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law incombine) Stephen L Moshier
2001-07-29 21:17   ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Fergus Henderson
2001-07-30  0:23     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2001-07-17 15:59 associative law in combine Joern Rennecke
2001-07-18  1:01 ` Toon Moene
2001-07-18  1:47   ` What is acceptable for -ffast-math? (Was: associative law in combine) Jan Hubicka
2001-07-28 23:04     ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29  6:33       ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-29 10:18         ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29 10:26           ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-29 12:11             ` Tim Prince
2001-07-29 12:17               ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-29 10:50       ` Linus Torvalds

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