* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? @ 2001-10-16 8:46 mike stump 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: mike stump @ 2001-10-16 8:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dnovillo, pfeifer; +Cc: gcc > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:38:29 +0200 (CEST) > From: Gerald Pfeifer <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at> > To: Diego Novillo <dnovillo@redhat.com> > cc: <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, POP Sebastian <s.pop@laposte.net> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Diego Novillo wrote: > > I'm not sure who handles these requests. Could somebody please > > help Sebastian getting the copyright forms? > Nobody officially handles these requests ever since RMS requested > that we remove these forms from our web site. And ever since then, I > am wasting my time handling these requests as nobody else seems to > care. It was a mistake to take what we did off the web site. Instead, I think we should point them to the FSF directly on our web site, since they seem to want the support hassle, and if a response isn't forthcoming, refer the user to the old web pages. If any advice given by the web pages turns out to be wrong, we can update and refine the documentation to always be right. I'd go so far as to say, the reference to the web site should be right under the pointer to the FSF. :-( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? @ 2001-10-22 4:13 Richard Kenner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard Kenner @ 2001-10-22 4:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard.Earnshaw; +Cc: gcc Shouldn't the runtime code be moved out into a separate directory, in the same way as other runtime code is (libstdc++, libjava, libobc ...). In theory, yes, and this has been on the "to do" list for quite a while. However, it has the potential of making the bootstrap problem much worse, so it needs to be done very carefully or delayed until after the GCC 3.1 release. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? @ 2001-10-21 19:35 dewar 2001-10-22 2:09 ` Richard Earnshaw 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: dewar @ 2001-10-21 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jbuck, jsm28, mrs; +Cc: gcc <<I was surprised to see that the Ada files weren't copyright FSF. All the files that were originally developed at NYU have the FSF copyright, reflecting the assignment of copyright (required by the federal contract) from NYU to the FSF. Some files developed subsequently have an ACT copyright , but that simply reflects a temporary situation that existed, and we will ensure that the copyright notices are updated to reflect FSF copyright ownership, reflecting the assignment, now in place, from ACT to the FSF. The FSU (Florida State University) copyrights are another matter. These do represent work done by Ted Baker's group at FSU. They cover the tasking parts of the runtime, and neither FSU nor Ted wanted to assign the copyright to FSF (Ted wanted specifically to have a clear record of the FSU involvement). I did discuss this with Richard Stallman at the time, and he indicated that he did not feel it was a problem. In the event that it does turn out to be a problem, we can simply remove the tasking runtime from the site, we will still have a working non-tasking port of GNAT if we do this. Robert Dewar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-21 19:35 dewar @ 2001-10-22 2:09 ` Richard Earnshaw 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard Earnshaw @ 2001-10-22 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dewar; +Cc: jbuck, jsm28, mrs, gcc, Richard.Earnshaw > > The FSU (Florida State University) copyrights are another matter. These > do represent work done by Ted Baker's group at FSU. They cover the > tasking parts of the runtime, and neither FSU nor Ted wanted to > assign the copyright to FSF (Ted wanted specifically to have a clear > record of the FSU involvement). I did discuss this with Richard Stallman > at the time, and he indicated that he did not feel it was a problem. In > the event that it does turn out to be a problem, we can simply remove > the tasking runtime from the site, we will still have a working non-tasking > port of GNAT if we do this. Shouldn't the runtime code be moved out into a separate directory, in the same way as other runtime code is (libstdc++, libjava, libobc ...). Not only would this make it clearer what was part of the compiler and what was part of the run-time, but it would also be a step on the road to providing multi-lib support. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? @ 2001-10-16 17:53 mike stump 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: mike stump @ 2001-10-16 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jbuck, jsm28; +Cc: gcc > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:54:17 +0100 (BST) > From: "Joseph S. Myers" <jsm28@cam.ac.uk> > To: Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.COM> > cc: <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> > How do the assignments to the FSF interact with the presence of > non-FSF-copyright files in the tree? For example, some of the files in > the gcc/ada directory are copyright FSF, some are copyright Ada Core > Technologies, some are copyright Florida State University. If people with > FSF assignments contribute to these files, do their contributions become > copyright FSF (rather than any other copyright holder of the files)? I was surprised to see that the Ada files weren't copyright FSF. Normally during the import of new code, the code is donated to the FSF, and the copyright is changed to reflect this fact. It allows the FSF to bring a copyright suit against folks that violate copyright, and it establishes a single clear owner for the work. Was it intentional that the code not be donated, or have folks just not gotten around to it yet? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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* Copyright forms for new contributor? [not found] ` <20011015173305.B17825@linux11.lxfarm.csc.liv.ac.uk> @ 2001-10-15 9:39 ` Diego Novillo 2001-10-16 1:38 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2001-10-16 15:09 ` Craig Rodrigues 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Diego Novillo @ 2001-10-15 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gcc; +Cc: POP Sebastian On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, POP Sebastian wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 11:40:14AM -0400, Diego Novillo wrote: > > tests). Make sure you get all the copyright things sorted out > > before contributing the patch to gcc-patches. > > Yet the administrative papers :-), > sorry for asking you, but in the http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/contribute.html > I see : > > Before we can accept code contributions from you, > we need a copyright assignment form filled out and filed with the FSF. > [...] > contact us (either via the gcc@gcc.gnu.org list > or the GCC maintainer that is taking care of your contributions) > to obtain the relevant forms. > > Can you send me by mail or point me on the page that contains these forms... > The process is signing these papers, and then return them to the > GNU foundation, isn't it ? > > > Cheers, Sebastian. I'm not sure who handles these requests. Could somebody please help Sebastian getting the copyright forms? Thanks. Diego. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-15 9:39 ` Diego Novillo @ 2001-10-16 1:38 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2001-10-16 12:47 ` Joe Buck 2001-10-16 15:09 ` Craig Rodrigues 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-10-16 1:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Diego Novillo; +Cc: gcc, POP Sebastian On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Diego Novillo wrote: > I'm not sure who handles these requests. Could somebody please > help Sebastian getting the copyright forms? Nobody officially handles these requests ever since RMS requested that we remove these forms from our web site. And ever since then, I am wasting my time handling these requests as nobody else seems to care. (Sorry, Diego/Sebastian, this is not your fault at all, of course!) Please find the forms for assigning (possible current and) future changes quoted below. Gerald ======== cut ======== Please email the following information to fsf-records@gnu.org, and we will send you the assignment form for your past and future changes. Please use your full name as the subject line of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REQUEST: SEND FORM FOR PAST AND FUTURE CHANGES [What is the name of the program or package you're contributing to?] [Did you copy any files or text written by someone else in these changes? Even if that material is free software, we need to know about it.] [Do you have an employer who might have a basis to claim to own your changes? Do you attend a school which might make such a claim?] [For the copyright registration, what country are you a citizen of?] [What year were you born?] [Please write your email address here.] [Please write your postal address here.] [Which files have you changed so far, and which new files have you written so far?] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 1:38 ` Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-10-16 12:47 ` Joe Buck 2001-10-16 13:33 ` Florian Weimer ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Joe Buck @ 2001-10-16 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pfeifer; +Cc: Diego Novillo, gcc, POP Sebastian Gerald writes: > Nobody officially handles these requests ever since RMS requested that we > remove these forms from our web site. And ever since then, I am wasting my > time handling these requests as nobody else seems to care. The reason for not giving out the forms directly was that people were sending the wrong forms, making small (but legally significant) changes to them, etc. Since the contract has to be on paper, it works best if the FSF sends out the actual paper; before they switched to this approach, RMS had to personally check every word of every form, which doesn't work too well. Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors for the legal documents. > Please find the forms for assigning (possible current and) future > changes quoted below. Actually, what you quote is the form for requesting forms. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 12:47 ` Joe Buck @ 2001-10-16 13:33 ` Florian Weimer 2001-10-16 13:43 ` Diego Novillo 2001-10-16 13:54 ` Joseph S. Myers 2001-10-17 12:21 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2001-10-16 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Buck; +Cc: pfeifer Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.COM> writes: > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > for the legal documents. Is this really necessary? There's already a copyright assignment clerk at the FSF who does this job. I've received my papers within four working days, and some of these are due to the postal services involved. I guess this delay is acceptable, and if non-FSF forms are used, we'd probably face an increase in the time required to process the signed assignment contract form, so even if we could spare one or two days, this wouldn't result in a net win in the end. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 13:33 ` Florian Weimer @ 2001-10-16 13:43 ` Diego Novillo 2001-10-16 14:03 ` Joe Buck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Diego Novillo @ 2001-10-16 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Florian Weimer; +Cc: Joe Buck, Gerald Pfeifer, gcc On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Florian Weimer wrote: > Joe Buck <jbuck@synopsys.COM> writes: > > > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > > for the legal documents. > > Is this really necessary? There's already a copyright assignment > clerk at the FSF who does this job. I've received my papers within > four working days, and some of these are due to the postal services > involved. > It seems to me that we should just mention the FSF clerk's address in the contribute page, then. Diego. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 13:43 ` Diego Novillo @ 2001-10-16 14:03 ` Joe Buck 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Joe Buck @ 2001-10-16 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Diego Novillo; +Cc: Florian Weimer, Joe Buck, pfeifer I wrote: > > > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > > > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > > > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > > > for the legal documents. Florian Weimer wrote: > > Is this really necessary? There's already a copyright assignment > > clerk at the FSF who does this job. I've received my papers within > > four working days, and some of these are due to the postal services > > involved. Diego wrote: > It seems to me that we should just mention the FSF clerk's > address in the contribute page, then. The FSF's copyright clerk is one guy who handles all the papers for all the FSF's projects, not just GCC. RMS doesn't want this guy to get overwhelmed, so what he wanted was for the maintainers of a project to act as a filter, rather than having everyone directly contact the copyright clerk. The current problem with this is that the ball sometimes gets dropped. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 12:47 ` Joe Buck 2001-10-16 13:33 ` Florian Weimer @ 2001-10-16 13:54 ` Joseph S. Myers 2001-10-16 14:08 ` Joe Buck 2001-10-17 12:21 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-10-16 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Buck; +Cc: gcc On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Joe Buck wrote: > The reason for not giving out the forms directly was that people were > sending the wrong forms, making small (but legally significant) changes > to them, etc. Since the contract has to be on paper, it works best if > the FSF sends out the actual paper; before they switched to this approach, > RMS had to personally check every word of every form, which doesn't work > too well. Are there any plans to allow digitally signed forms? I think Ulrich Drepper wanted to do this for glibc. > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > for the legal documents. We also need a better procedure for maintainers to have access to the GNU copyright.list listing assignments. How do the assignments to the FSF interact with the presence of non-FSF-copyright files in the tree? For example, some of the files in the gcc/ada directory are copyright FSF, some are copyright Ada Core Technologies, some are copyright Florida State University. If people with FSF assignments contribute to these files, do their contributions become copyright FSF (rather than any other copyright holder of the files)? -- Joseph S. Myers jsm28@cam.ac.uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 13:54 ` Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-10-16 14:08 ` Joe Buck 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Joe Buck @ 2001-10-16 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joseph S. Myers; +Cc: Joe Buck, gcc Joseph S. Myers writes: > How do the assignments to the FSF interact with the presence of > non-FSF-copyright files in the tree? For example, some of the files in > the gcc/ada directory are copyright FSF, some are copyright Ada Core > Technologies, some are copyright Florida State University. If people with > FSF assignments contribute to these files, do their contributions become > copyright FSF (rather than any other copyright holder of the files)? IANAL, but copyright assignment requires a legal contract between the parties, so it's not possible for anyone to assign copyright to ACT or FSU without an explicit contract saying so. Also, everything that gets linked into the FSF GCC other than system libraries is supposed to get owned by the FSF unless RMS agrees to an exception, to help the FSF be able to enforce the GPL. Is this true for Ada, or do we have an issue? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 12:47 ` Joe Buck 2001-10-16 13:33 ` Florian Weimer 2001-10-16 13:54 ` Joseph S. Myers @ 2001-10-17 12:21 ` Gerald Pfeifer 2001-10-17 17:42 ` Carlo Wood 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-10-17 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Buck; +Cc: Diego Novillo, gcc, POP Sebastian On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Joe Buck wrote: >> Nobody officially handles these requests ever since RMS requested that we >> remove these forms from our web site. And ever since then, I am wasting my >> time handling these requests as nobody else seems to care. > The reason for not giving out the forms directly was that people were > sending the wrong forms, making small (but legally significant) changes > to them, etc. Since the contract has to be on paper, it works best if > the FSF sends out the actual paper [...] This definitely makes sense, and I didn't mean to criticize that. However, it was (and is) absolutely unclear to me, why we cannot publish the forms used for requesting the paperwork on the web. > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > for the legal documents. Either that, or one or two volunteers. The problem right now is that requests basically remain unanswered, and I've just been jumping in when I notice that. Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-17 12:21 ` Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-10-17 17:42 ` Carlo Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Carlo Wood @ 2001-10-17 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: Joe Buck, Diego Novillo, gcc, POP Sebastian On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 09:21:01PM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Joe Buck wrote: > >> Nobody officially handles these requests ever since RMS requested that we > >> remove these forms from our web site. And ever since then, I am wasting my > >> time handling these requests as nobody else seems to care. > > The reason for not giving out the forms directly was that people were > > sending the wrong forms, making small (but legally significant) changes > > to them, etc. Since the contract has to be on paper, it works best if > > the FSF sends out the actual paper [...] > > This definitely makes sense, and I didn't mean to criticize that. However, > it was (and is) absolutely unclear to me, why we cannot publish the forms > used for requesting the paperwork on the web. > > > Just the same, we need a better procedure. Perhaps we SC members will > > need to take turns being the copyright form liason. We could set up > > a mailing list for the purpose of handling requests from contributors > > for the legal documents. > > Either that, or one or two volunteers. > > The problem right now is that requests basically remain unanswered, and > I've just been jumping in when I notice that. My analysis of this thread is: The main issue here is that the FSF clerk should be able to automate his work as much as possible. He probably also doesn't want to spend lots of time with explaining to people which papers they need. In order to remove the need for the clerk to re-read every signed document he gets, he wants to print the document himself, sign it, send it to the developer and receive the document back with both signatures: in that case his own signature tells him the document is original and does not need re-reading. In order to remove the need for him to explain to people which papers they need - he asks volunteers per project to communicate with the developers and pass to him a clear request for sending a signed paper to the developer. The latter could be automated via a webpage for the gcc project imho. -- Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-15 9:39 ` Diego Novillo 2001-10-16 1:38 ` Gerald Pfeifer @ 2001-10-16 15:09 ` Craig Rodrigues 2001-10-16 19:38 ` Joe Buck 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Craig Rodrigues @ 2001-10-16 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gcc Hi, How does this sound? Create a web based form, where someone could fill in the values for the copyright assignment form. When the user hits the "submit" button, it generates a PDF file with all of the form's contents. The user can then print out the form with a printer, manually sign the document, and send it by postal mail to the FSF copyright assignment clerk. Does this sound tenable? -- Craig Rodrigues http://www.gis.net/~craigr rodrigc@mediaone.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Copyright forms for new contributor? 2001-10-16 15:09 ` Craig Rodrigues @ 2001-10-16 19:38 ` Joe Buck 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Joe Buck @ 2001-10-16 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Craig Rodrigues; +Cc: gcc > How does this sound? > > Create a web based form, where someone could > fill in the values for the copyright assignment > form. When the user hits the "submit" button, > it generates a PDF file with all of the form's > contents. > > The user can then print out the form with a printer, > manually sign the document, and send it by > postal mail to the FSF copyright assignment clerk. > > Does this sound tenable? But it's a contract. This means that both sides, the FSF and the contributor, have to wind up with a physical piece of paper that is signed by both sides. So the current approach (of having the FSF copyright clerk produce the paper document) works just as well as your suggestion. And I suspect that he already has an automated approach. The only problem we're having is in getting the process kicked off for new contributors. Once the forms request gets to the FSF it works pretty well. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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