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From: Ira Ruben <ira@apple.com>
To: Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p05100300b8298af86c78@[17.202.44.152]> (raw)
Message-ID: <20011127104700.0GyhEhJ0-HoY850pcX_NXKUD38FWm2HQynMMLeerPs8@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C03D1CD.CE56AD7@apple.com>

At 9:47 AM -0800 11/27/01, Stan Shebs wrote:

>Easy - Motorola wasn't going to be able to sell G4s to either
>Linux or embedded users (VxWorks etc) without having AltiVec
>support in GCC.  It speaks volumes that nobody at Motorola seemed
>to be aware that GCC was Wind River's standard compiler, and
>that it thus might be a good idea to talk to GCC people about the
>proposed extension.
>
>...
>
>Nevertheless, I still think it was a mistake.  When it comes to
>messing with the language, we often need to say "no" to users, who
>typically don't understand the consequences of tinkering with language
>syntax and semantics - indeed, they're paying us to be the experts.
>While it may have been easy to do in MrC, did anybody consider that
>the extension was going to affect every other PowerPC compiler in
>the world?  Ironically, this extension makes our internal version of
>GCC more complicated and time-consuming to merge with FSF sources, so
>our imports take longer and have more problems, which means that your
>own daily work today has been made more difficult by the expedient
>choice of several years ago.

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about design decisions of 
the past when you weren't there and don't know the context in which 
those were made.  It may be your opinion about how "hard" it is to 
support "vector" this way.  I do not agree.  If it was so easy for 
MrC[pp] and I assume Mcc and MW I do not see a problem with gcc.

Ira

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-27 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 237+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16  9:10 front end changes for altivec Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-16  9:25 ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-26  2:55   ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18  3:56 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  4:24   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  5:09     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-18  6:10       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  7:35         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 19:50           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-26 18:19         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 12:41       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 13:38         ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-18 15:32           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 16:49             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-18 17:06               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:29                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  8:00               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27  7:55             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27  7:50           ` Andreas Jaeger
2001-11-19  8:02         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19  8:35           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:19             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 11:51               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 13:41                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 16:13                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:51                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 19:15                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 20:50                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:14                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:10                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-21 13:08                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:12                         ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:29                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:31                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:41                               ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:44                                 ` Jack Lloyd
2001-11-28 23:00                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 22:34                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-21 13:33                           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-21 13:49                             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-29  4:45                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-28 23:16                             ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-28 22:21                           ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-21 13:24                         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 22:25                           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 21:07                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2001-11-27 17:03                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:57                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:16                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:25               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 17:46                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 21:39                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  1:05                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:23                       ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:40                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20  2:46                     ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-20  2:56                       ` front end changes for altivec-- conclusion Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:00                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:50                       ` front end changes for altivec Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 17:24                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:02                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 16:50                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:01               ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:52             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:40           ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27  7:24         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 17:04       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26 16:39     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  6:40   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-18  6:33     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-26 18:46       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:19     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-18  9:13       ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-18 12:26         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  4:45           ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:04             ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:28               ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-19 12:04                 ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 14:58                   ` Phil Edwards
2001-11-27 12:47                 ` Ira Ruben
2001-11-27 12:10               ` Geoff Keating
2001-11-19  7:50             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:12               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 10:53             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:26           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:53             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:21                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 13:13               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 12:41             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  6:46           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18 18:51         ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27  9:20           ` Per Bothner
2001-11-18 23:55         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  4:18           ` Ira Ruben [this message]
2001-11-19  4:48             ` Per Bothner
2001-11-19  5:28               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-27 11:35                 ` Daniel Berlin
2001-11-19  6:26               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  0:33                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20  3:16                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  6:33                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 18:27                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:05                     ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:35                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 18:06                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20  3:19                   ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20  5:25                     ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 18:24                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-20 11:27                     ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 19:59                       ` Per Bothner
2001-11-20 11:37                     ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 17:03                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 18:25                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  9:45                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-28  7:11                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:20                       ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-20 20:24                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 23:47                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:43                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 11:31                           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-20 20:27                         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Dale Johannesen
2001-11-20 20:38                           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-21  4:47                             ` Syd Polk
2001-11-21 12:31                               ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 16:15                                 ` Tim Hollebeek
2001-11-28 14:12                               ` Syd Polk
2001-11-28 11:55                             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-28 11:44                           ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-28 11:19                         ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 20:40                       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 18:09                     ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 17:35                   ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 12:34                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 11:16               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-27 10:47             ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-19  6:19           ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  7:13             ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  7:34               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  8:01                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  9:18                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 11:23                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 14:46                       ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 13:56                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 13:27                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-27 12:57                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19  7:56               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19  8:31                 ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-27 13:44                   ` Richard Henderson
2001-11-19 10:23                 ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 11:55                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Joe Buck
2001-11-19 14:03                     ` Mark Mitchell
2001-11-19 14:46                       ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 16:13                         ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20  0:56                       ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 17:37                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-20  5:17                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 11:15                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 17:09                           ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 17:26                             ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 17:57                               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20 19:16                                 ` Neil Booth
2001-11-20 21:10                                   ` Input Stream Rewriting (Was: Target-specific Front-Ends?) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  0:24                                     ` Neil Booth
2001-11-21  1:05                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21  4:38                                         ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:57                                           ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 13:25                                         ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:45                                       ` Neil Booth
2001-11-28 12:01                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 11:06                                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for Neil Booth
2001-11-28  9:16                                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-28  9:11                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 20:53                             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 22:08                               ` Joe Buck
2001-11-28 12:26                                 ` Joe Buck
2001-11-20 23:37                               ` Per Bothner
2001-11-21  3:14                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-21 12:32                                   ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-21 12:44                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:40                                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 18:29                                     ` David Edelsohn
2001-11-28 13:36                                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28 12:36                                 ` Per Bothner
2001-11-28 11:55                               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-28  7:33                             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 19:40                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-20 19:17                         ` Devang Patel
2001-11-28 11:09                           ` Devang Patel
2001-11-27 18:21                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:32                       ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04  0:14                       ` Alex Rosenberg
2001-12-04  0:33                         ` Mark Mitchell
2001-12-04 11:25                         ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 14:53                     ` Joe Buck
2001-11-27 14:36                   ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Mark Mitchell
2001-11-27 13:19                 ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 12:44               ` Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-19  8:34             ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 12:54               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 15:41                 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19 19:08                   ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-19 19:15                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:10                       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 17:06                     ` Dale Johannesen
2001-11-27 16:56                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 15:06                 ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 13:44               ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-19  9:26             ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:53               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-19 10:59                 ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19 14:12                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 15:37                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:41                   ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-27 14:30                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:13               ` Bernd Schmidt
2001-11-19  9:40             ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-19 11:27               ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:50                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27 14:20               ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-27 12:24             ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-27  9:48           ` Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 23:45         ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes foraltivec) Ira Ruben
2001-11-26 22:22       ` Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) Stan Shebs
2001-11-26 18:47     ` Ziemowit Laski
2001-11-26 15:45   ` front end changes for altivec Joseph S. Myers
2001-11-26  2:51 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-18  8:02 Target-specific Front-Ends? (Was: front end changes for altivec) mike stump
2001-11-26 19:52 ` mike stump
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2001-11-19 17:20     ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 16:58       ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-20  4:44 mike stump
2001-11-20 10:10 ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:28   ` Aldy Hernandez
2001-11-27 18:12 ` mike stump

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